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Old 08.10.2020, 18:30
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MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

Hi, I'm looking for some advice or recommendations on where to bring my early 2015 MacBook Air 13", Model A1466 for repairs.

I have been to DataQuest in Zug and they said they won't touch it as there is "water damage" on the logic / mother board.

So no "Apple Genius" recommendations please.

I am looking for an independent shop that can repair logic boards. This shop in New York would be ideal, however I would prefer somewhere here in CH if possible.

https://www.rossmanngroup.com/

A little background on the problem:

When I plug in the mag charger I get a green LED for about 1-2 seconds then it turns orange. Dead screen.

Being a stubborn person and with the help of various YouTube videos and schematics for this computer I opened up the beast. Very easy, and everything relatively easy access, (old school Apple)

There was a lot of surface corrosion on the 2 logic boards. I assume this from humidity as the MBA never went swimming or had fluids spilled on it.

I dismounted the 4 major components and cleaned up all the visible corrosion with 99% alcohol and a toothbrush. After which I inspected both sides of the pcbs with a 10X magnifying glass several times. There was no visible damage or corrosion after cleaning and all the connectors and pins are in good shape.

Unfortunately with the Mag charger plugged in the fan still will not run even though there is correct voltage at most of the test points. I am confident that the problem is with the logic board but I do not have the tools or the parts to replace any of the very small IC's or resistors or capacitors.

Any suggestions / recommendations with regards to an independent repair shop in the Zug/Zurich area specializing in MacBooks would be greatly appreciated.

- Marcus
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Hi, I'm looking for some advice or recommendations on where to bring my early 2015 MacBook Air 13", Model A1466 for repairs.

Unfortunately with the Mag charger plugged in the fan still will not run even though there is correct voltage at most of the test points. I am confident that the problem is with the logic board but I do not have the tools or the parts to replace any of the very small IC's or resistors or capacitors.

Any suggestions / recommendations with regards to an independent repair shop in the Zug/Zurich area specializing in MacBooks would be greatly appreciated.

- Marcus
Hi Marcus,

Even with the old-school repairable Macs, no one on earth ever repaired a logic board by replacing individual components. Since you have the skills needed to open the laptop up, all you need to do is buy a new logic board to replace the one which failed. In the old-school repairable Macs, this means ordering part from a reputable online parts company like iFixit and then swapping the cards out.

The problem with the new Macs is that everything is printed on one circuit board, so if one bit fails, it is cost prohibitive to repair the board and you might as well replace the whole thing. Frankly, this is a frustration as one of the reasons for buying a Mac used to be their upgradability, so that the expensive initial investment was worth it over the longer use-life.
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Old 08.10.2020, 19:43
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

https://doktormac.ch/ maybe? But I don't know them.

But I agree with the previous poster, I cannot imagine how this could make any economical sense to repair such thing, given it is 5 years old and also of the cheaper segment of apple products.
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

Manual labour is extremely expensive in Switzerland.

As such, it's indeed questionable if it's economical to repair something that old and that complicated.

It may be cheaper to buy a used one on Ricardo that still works.

E.g. like this one.

https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/macbook-...15-1138493950/

Though I'd rather put the money towards an entry-level 2020 MacBookPro 13".

If you're OK with 8GB/256GB and a Coffee-Lake CPU, there are sometimes very good deals to be had.

https://www.toppreise.ch/preisvergle...p609724?posf=1
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

Anyone know if doktor mac speaks English? They donít appear to speak French
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https://doktormac.ch/ maybe? But I don't know them.

But I agree with the previous poster, I cannot imagine how this could make any economical sense to repair such thing, given it is 5 years old and also of the cheaper segment of apple products.
I just wanted to say thanks to all for your comments.

With regards to making economic sense or not, good used and new MbA's vary from about 500.00 sfr's on up to stupid prices.

While my MbA is 2015, it was free, (because it is broken) and I like to tinker with things.

I also found a great website where I was able to download the logic board schematic as well as "Openboard Viewer" so I can check the logic board out in more detail.

https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54530

As a guide for the troubleshooting I am using the Rossman Group and the following is my problem.

https://boards.rossmanngroup.com/thr...an-spin.59897/

If the problem is not with the CPU I will then send it up Munich for a quote and hopefully repairs. Max cost of 299.00 Euros + shipping etc.

https://www.conodi.com/macbook-geht-nicht-an/

Otherwise a new/used logic board from Alibaba is still under 350.00 sfrs with shipping.

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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

Marcus,

At the end of the year [2020], maybe before Apple will be launching new machines based on an entirely different architecture. Their current range all use Intel chips, the new ones will use Apple Silicon, so custom chips.

As such I suspect Apple dealers like digitec and others will be looking to clear stock of Intel machines as discounted prices.

I know you want to repair your MBA, but maybe a new [no longer current] machine at a good price will better investment.
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

May an stupid question, but what do you want to save? The computer or the data?

Data is a relatively simple recover if it's stored on a solid state drive (SSD). Just plug it to an external USB box and it's like a external drive for any other computer.

Repairing the computer seems like a risky bet. Even if it turns on once again, it can cause lots of trouble if the behavior is not consistent.
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

I understand you! I also love to repair things. I'm glad to see more people thinking about the environment, etc, being immune to the corporate advertisement.

That being said, old things are old things. I have changed battery in my macbook early 2015, then the spacebar stoped working so I replaced also the keyboard, just to see a few days later that the antiglare coating on the screen dissolved in pure water. I won't buy anything from apple anymore. It's not environment friendly. My next mac would be hackintosh.
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I understand you! I also love to repair things. I'm glad to see more people thinking about the environment, etc, being immune to the corporate advertisement.

That being said, old things are old things. I have changed battery in my macbook early 2015, then the spacebar stoped working so I replaced also the keyboard, just to see a few days later that the antiglare coating on the screen dissolved in pure water. I won't buy anything from apple anymore. It's not environment friendly. My next mac would be hackintosh.
Ha, I keep alive my HP laptop from 2012 Just ordered a tube of thermal paste. Last summer my old laptop ran very hot, I guess the contact between the CPU/graphics chip and the cooper heat exchanger is faulty.

On the other hand, corrosion in the mainboard seems not repairable. An environmentally friendly solution is to buy a 3-4 years old laptop.
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Data is a relatively simple recover if it's stored on a solid state drive (SSD). Just plug it to an external USB box and it's like a external drive for any other computer.
In theory, yes. But in most relatively modern Mac laptops, the SSD is no longer itís own entity, but rather chips soldered into the motherboard. Consequently, when 1 part fails, you now have to choose between replacing the entire electronic system or buying a brand new computer for not much more money. Personally, I donít like how disposable they have become; I used to be able to get almost a decade out of a Mac Book Pro, which justified the premium price.
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Re: MacBook Air 13" Repairs (Baar, ZG)

Have you look at this website? Maybe you can find some answers here.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacB...eardown/115201
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May an stupid question, but what do you want to save? The computer or the data?

Data is a relatively simple recover if it's stored on a solid state drive (SSD). Just plug it to an external USB box and it's like a external drive for any other computer.

Repairing the computer seems like a risky bet. Even if it turns on once again, it can cause lots of trouble if the behavior is not consistent.


First of all, modern Apple computers have the SSD soldered onto the motherboard (with a few exceptions, like the new MacPro...).

Second, all modern Macs have the T2 chip, which amongst a few other things, handles talking to the actual SSD, soldered to the motherboard. It also automatically encrypts all the data with a hardware-key that cannot be extracted.

So, even if you could remove the actually SSD from the motherboard, it would lack any kind of hardware to talk to something else (via SATA or PCIe or whatever) and it would be encrypted.

Thus the need to have backups.

I really like my Mac hardware (a MacMini 2018), but I'm fully aware of its limitations.
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