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It was set up that way when I first got my device(s) 2 4.65%
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I wanted to change but I couldn’t figure out how to change it 2 4.65%
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Old 22.10.2020, 20:43
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Sarcasm - maybe,
Hyperbole - no.

Using a quote from a racist book of a mass murderer to demonstrate a point - obviously acceptable for you.
Alleged mass murderer. Hitler was never tried for the crime of murder, nor any crime arising from WWII.

I'm loving your faux outrage. What are you going to do -- pay a couple of kids to point me out so you can chop off my head?

Honestly, get over yourself. Look up some of Hitler's paintings. Vent your outrage on those, they're a truly deserving target.
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:01
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Re: Google antitrust

That escalated fast - from quoting Hitler, to defending him and projecting your violent feeling to the debate.

or: you can simply apologize, delete the quote and move on.
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Old 23.10.2020, 20:21
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I find the DeepL version much more natural.

For information, here is the original German version of this extract. Bear in mind that it was revised several times by the authors, and the English translation was also altered several times, so it's not surprising that the retranslated version doesn't match the original:
Very interesting comparison.

To me the Google translation sounds a lot like an English person, or more still, an American person, speaking German. The grammar and vocabulary are OK but syntactically there is something fake about it, and it just sounds too English. The Deepl does that in places too but by and large it sounds much more authentically German.

But then German to English (or vice versa) is a relatively easy one, even for Google.

From my understanding, Google uses English as intermediate language for other translations. So if you translate from say Spanish to Hungarian, chances are it will translate Spanish to English and then English to Hungarian, which in my view is a strange choice and causes all sorts of wierd artefacts or gets caught out by ambiguities that could have been avoided had a more neutral intermediate language been used with a more logical and precise grammatical mapping, say, Latin or German. Or even any language that still distinguishes formal and informal versions of the second person could save a lot of headache.

I still need to check out Deepl for that.
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Old 24.10.2020, 03:29
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Very interesting comparison.

To me the Google translation sounds a lot like an English person, or more still, an American person, speaking German. The grammar and vocabulary are OK but syntactically there is something fake about it, and it just sounds too English. The Deepl does that in places too but by and large it sounds much more authentically German.

But then German to English (or vice versa) is a relatively easy one, even for Google.

From my understanding, Google uses English as intermediate language for other translations. So if you translate from say Spanish to Hungarian, chances are it will translate Spanish to English and then English to Hungarian, which in my view is a strange choice and causes all sorts of wierd artefacts or gets caught out by ambiguities that could have been avoided had a more neutral intermediate language been used with a more logical and precise grammatical mapping, say, Latin or German. Or even any language that still distinguishes formal and informal versions of the second person could save a lot of headache.

I still need to check out Deepl for that.
I didn't know that, about using English as an intermediary. Sounds an odd thing to do, although I guess setting up all the language pairs from scratch would be really complicated and time-consuming.

Like you, I find the authenticity of DeepL superior to Google. For a fee, it also offers the option of forcing the informal or formal second person for those languages that are blighted by the distinction.
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That escalated fast - from quoting Hitler, to defending him and projecting your violent feeling to the debate.

or: you can simply apologize, delete the quote and move on.
Innocent until proven guilty!

My "violent feelings"... .. you mean the bit where I proposed violence against myself?

If you can't cope with seeing concepts with which you personally disagree in print, stop reading websites now. Sadly, it turns out that the internet is not just one huge echo chamber with the sole mission of affirming your opinions.

Unfortunately I won't offer you an apology on this occasion. But I can say that I'm sorry that you are so easily offended by an apparent NASDAP-supporting Marxist who is clearly trying to press-gang EFers into supporting the Communist Manifesto by following Adolf Hitler.

Or perhaps you're just wildly mistaken, and should be offering an apology to me.
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I never considered Karl Marx as a benchmark for checking how natural a translation sounds...
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