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bowlie 20.10.2020 21:24

Google antitrust
 
Please be honest

ChrisNeedsToKnow 20.10.2020 21:35

Re: Google antitrust
 
www.duckduckgo.com


at least until I really have to find something ;)

Ato 20.10.2020 21:39

Re: Google antitrust
 
Do you mean as a search provider or android vs apple?

bowlie 20.10.2020 21:50

Re: Google antitrust
 
As a search provider. Thatís the essence of the complaint, Google abusing their dominant position in search engines. Goggleís defense is that everyone has a choice.

Android vs iOS is yet to come, but likely in Europe first.

st2lemans 20.10.2020 22:43

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNeedsToKnow (Post 3229068)
www.duckduckgo.com


at least until I really have to find something ;)

Likewise.

Google is, alas, better.

Tom

John_H 20.10.2020 22:46

Re: Google antitrust
 
Other :
I use google for general stuff.. Like "ramen in zurich'

If i want anything controversial I adjust accordingly.

bowlie 21.10.2020 07:52

Re: Google antitrust
 
PS, completely off-topic but if you put g! at the end of your search string ddg will return googleís results but you arenít tracked by google.

jacek 21.10.2020 08:16

Re: Google antitrust
 
Because I hate using Bing, especially its there set by default in my browser and too lazy to change it. :D

Don’t you use famous answer on the EF ... LMGTFY?

Treverus 21.10.2020 08:18

Re: Google antitrust
 
Well, you didnít add the most obvious answer: Google is the market leader because their search works. It has 20years of usage data of me, so the algorithm delivers much better results than any other engine.

Phil_MCR 21.10.2020 09:50

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3229170)
Well, you didnít add the most obvious answer: Google is the market leader because their search works. It has 20years of usage data of me, so the algorithm delivers much better results than any other engine.

Yup. I remember switching from AltaVista after their results became too poor and never looked back.

gipfelisturmer 21.10.2020 10:28

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3229170)
Well, you didnít add the most obvious answer: Google is the market leader because their search works. It has 20years of usage data of me, so the algorithm delivers much better results than any other engine.

Exactly, the poll answers are a bit "biased".
So "Other" it is. :D

MusicChick 21.10.2020 11:10

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dbucar (Post 3229199)
Exactly, the poll answers are a bit "biased".
So "Other" it is. :D

Google delivers different data based on me being either logged in or out. That by itself is wrong, in my world.

22 yards 21.10.2020 11:14

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3229223)
Google delivers different data based on me being either logged in or out. That by itself is wrong, in my world.

Sounds exactly right to me. If you let Google know who you are, you get results more closely aligned with what you want.

Presumably cookies are wrong, too, in your world?

jacek 21.10.2020 11:25

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3229170)
Well, you didnít add the most obvious answer: Google is the market leader because their search works. It has 20years of usage data of me, so the algorithm delivers much better results than any other engine.

Yeah. Google finds everything. The rest is waste of time :msngrin:

Ace1 21.10.2020 11:55

Re: Google antitrust
 
I prefer DDG as a search engine, but google are still way ahead of the crowd for maps/navigation and translation, as far as I know, so I still use them for that.

I'm not really very much aware of whatever this anti-trust thing alluded to be ther thread title is all about, and frankly it's not something that would be veryt likely to sway me towards or away from their tools.

Medea Fleecestealer 21.10.2020 11:57

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 3229240)
I prefer DDG as a search engine, but google are still way ahead of the crowd for maps/navigation and translation, as far as I know, so I still use them for that.

I'm not really very much aware of whatever this anti-trust thing alluded to be ther thread title is all about, and frankly it's not something that would be veryt likely to sway me towards or away from their tools.

Fyi

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54619148

Belgianmum 21.10.2020 12:05

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 22 yards (Post 3229225)
Presumably cookies are wrong, too, in your world?

Cookies are never wrong. Cranberry and chocolate chip are my favourites.

Treverus 21.10.2020 13:25

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3229226)
Yeah. Google finds everything. The rest is waste of time :msngrin:

Ive never said that. I said that the search works. Based on the profile they have of me do they manage to get me the relevant result. Basic example which I just tried: I know there is a Thai restaurant called "Bangkok" in Luxembourg. With google I search for "Thai restaurant Bangkok" and since google knows where I usually am will it automatically list first the relevant restaurant for me. Duckduckgo first lists the best Thai restaurants IN Bangkok followed by restaurants called Bangkok purely based on their page rank - how popular and good the page is. Apparently a Thai restaurant in the US state of Indiana as well as a chain of restaurants by the name across half of the US have better websites than the one in Luxembourg.


Could I make a search string that would find me the relevant information without googles profile? Yes. Is it worth my time? I dont think so.


I know the Internet well enough to find stuff that isnt listed with google. But for 99% of the time does Google do a brilliant job. And I am totally fine that they make money from advertisement and managed to bring a whole lot of old advertisement companies out of business. The only problems I have with them are:
1. If the targeting of the ads go too far. Im fine that some advertiser wants to find people based on my demographics. I would be less fine with it if say a health insurance would use it to "adapt" the pricing based on what google knows I spend elsewhere.
2. If Google uses their power badly. For example when they list results of their own market place to shop before the manufacturers website. They know exactly what I am looking for but want to guide me to a service they earn on instead...



In short: Peanuts compared to the ethic issues I have with Facebook.

bowlie 21.10.2020 13:32

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 3229298)
Ive never said that. I said that the search works. Based on the profile they have of me do they manage to get me the relevant result. Basic example which I just tried: I know there is a Thai restaurant called "Bangkok" in Luxembourg. With google I search for "Thai restaurant Bangkok" and since google knows where I usually am will it automatically list first the relevant restaurant for me. Duckduckgo first lists the best Thai restaurants IN Bangkok followed by restaurants called Bangkok purely based on their page rank - how popular and good the page is. Apparently a Thai restaurant in the US state of Indiana as well as a chain of restaurants by the name across half of the US have better websites than the one in Luxembourg.


Could I make a search string that would find me the relevant information without googles profile? Yes. Is it worth my time? I dont think so.


I know the Internet well enough to find stuff that isnt listed with google. But for 99% of the time does Google do a brilliant job. And I am totally fine that they make money from advertisement and managed to bring a whole lot of old advertisement companies out of business. The only problems I have with them are:
1. If the targeting of the ads go too far. Im fine that some advertiser wants to find people based on my demographics. I would be less fine with it if say a health insurance would use it to "adapt" the pricing based on what google knows I spend elsewhere.
2. If Google uses their power badly. For example when they list results of their own market place to shop before the manufacturers website. They know exactly what I am looking for but want to guide me to a service they earn on instead...



In short: Peanuts compared to the ethic issues I have with Facebook.

I wonder what your results would be if Google owned a Thai restaurant in Luxembourg called something other than Bangkok? Or if said restaurant paid google to be placed first ...

DerDieDas 21.10.2020 14:59

Re: Google antitrust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3229302)
I wonder what your results would be if Google owned a Thai restaurant in Luxembourg called something other than Bangkok? Or if said restaurant paid google to be placed first ...

Google does not place a search result higher up because it is paid by a customer. The search results are placed according to various criteria but payment is not one of them.

Google, however can show a paid ad together with the search results.


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