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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

OK, but wait a few months. These guys will come up with something. They have been around since the Apple ][ days. They are not going to go away quietly.
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Old 16.11.2020, 13:32
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Does not scale for my needs, and I am not going back to Apple's closed system again! AMD, Ryzen 5950X will be the heart of my next PC.

Looks good for Mac users though.
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Old 24.11.2020, 02:30
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M1 will probably have a niche in video editing as they have decent hardware video encoders/decoders on board. I was always surprised that AMD/Intel they didn't include better ones. This will for sure be good for competition and force AMD/Intel to step things up.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Thank You Phil MCR,

Personally just upgraded my laptop but decided to stick with the 2020 Intel 10th Generation processor. I like the 4 USB.C ports for external monitor connections and both sides having charging ability. I also run Windows on the Mac at times and appreciate being able to still do that without much fumble or trouble.

I know. I know... everyone is screaming the M1 is somehow revolutionary and the new best thing since sliced bread...

I would be interested in upgrading to an Apple silicone chip at some point, maybe in a year or two (M2?) if they bring it to the iMac. I do more multi-tasking on a Desktop vs. Laptop.

Glad to hear there is a discussion on the forum.

Still as well rocking some ol' Macs from over 10 years ago, with minimal problems and cost effective upgrades.
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Thank You Phil MCR,

Personally just upgraded my laptop but decided to stick with the 2020 Intel 10th Generation processor. I like the 4 USB.C ports for external monitor connections and both sides having charging ability. I also run Windows on the Mac at times and appreciate being able to still do that without much fumble or trouble.

I know. I know... everyone is screaming the M1 is somehow revolutionary and the new best thing since sliced bread...

I would be interested in upgrading to an Apple silicone chip at some point, maybe in a year or two (M2?) if they bring it to the iMac. I do more multi-tasking on a Desktop vs. Laptop.

Glad to hear there is a discussion on the forum.

Still as well rocking some ol' Macs from over 10 years ago, with minimal problems and cost effective upgrades.
I was expecting that they would bring large core count parts to the Pro desktop line up.

It would not surprise me if this is still the case with the M1 being for the low-end/low power portable market.

The challenge is the economics. I don't think the Pro Desktop has sufficient scale to warrant the cost of taping out a chip specifically for the high end SKU. Options include:

1. Go with something mid-range e.g. 8-16 core and use that across the line up
2. As above but enable multi-CPU set-up for higher end SKUs
3. Some form of chiplet design
4. Option 1 for mid-range line-up. Stick to Intel (or AMD) for the high end parts

If I had to guess, I would say they have a higher performance part that would be for desktop and high end laptop. Desktop plus laptop might just give them enough scale to warrant a second design. The high end desktop would then stay x86.
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The challenge is the economics. I don't think the Pro Desktop has sufficient scale to warrant the cost of taping out a chip specifically for the high end SKU


The high end desktop would then stay x86.

They've already said they're moving to their own silicon for the entire range that will include the Mac Pro.

Given what they've pulled off so far with the low end chip its going to be an interesting couple of years.
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Old 24.11.2020, 08:06
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I went to interdiscount to buy a new MBP and could only find the Intel models .. I asked the guy and looked at me like I was speaking martian or something ..

".. I want the new model with the M1 chip .."
" .. But this is the latest model here.. "
" .. No this has the Intel chip .."
" .. But it's the latest intel chip .."

etc etc etc

Most places are doing a couple of hundred off the 2020 intels now if you need that..
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They've already said they're moving to their own silicon for the entire range that will include the Mac Pro.

Given what they've pulled off so far with the low end chip its going to be an interesting couple of years.
Surely Apple will move to their own Chip/Processor because it's more profitable. How else can such an over valued P/E stock keep... keeeep.. keeeeeep.. going up and uppp.. and upppp?

I am never the less an Apple fan and have many years of reliable service from them. But giving nearly a lifetime's ranking on the P/E is not my taste.
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They've already said they're moving to their own silicon for the entire range that will include the Mac Pro.

Given what they've pulled off so far with the low end chip its going to be an interesting couple of years.
It doesn't conflict with what I said. Question still remain: will they move exclusively to Apple Silicon. Dogmatically, I think they want to. Then the question is how they do this right at the high end. Multi-chip seems most likely if they go exclusively Apple Silicon. I think it makes more sense to stick with x86 for the high end (at least in the short term) but if they build an 8/16 core CPU for the mainline range and put 4 of these into a 4-way systems for the high end then they could get to 32/64 cores.
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Old 24.11.2020, 11:18
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Surely Apple will move to their own Chip/Processor because it's more profitable. How else can such an over valued P/E stock keep... keeeep.. keeeeeep.. going up and uppp.. and upppp?

I am never the less an Apple fan and have many years of reliable service from them. But giving nearly a lifetime's ranking on the P/E is not my taste.
more profitable on a unit cost basis, but they need to recoup up front costs. it wouldn't surprise me if it cost $1bn to tape out a new 5nm chip. therefore making a chip specifically for the high end would unlikely generate sufficient profit to make good margin.

iphones and laptops have sufficient volumexmargin to recoup development/tape out of A1x and M1 chips. I think they may have enough to slot in another beefier chip above the M1 but don't think they have enough units to support 2 different chips in there. So I think they will need to combine using multi-chip/chiplet techniques or have a big chip that they can cut down (probably too expensive).
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Will this also affect iPhones? I am considering buying an iPhone SE but as it is not 5G compatible will probably wait for the next model.
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Will this also affect iPhones? I am considering buying an iPhone SE but as it is not 5G compatible will probably wait for the next model.
iPhones already use Apple silicon. The M1 is essentially a desktop chip version/extension of the mobile processor line.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

There are too many if's for myself on the M1.

A Laptop Computer is great, portable, fly around the world with it, well not this year 2020; but multi tasking on a serious level is reserved for a Desktop unless you are trying to become some kind of d-list celebrity on Teek....Toook.. or da boob tube.

M1 Air looks like the best value for anyone jumping on board.

Might try the Mini? Would require a 4k Monitor upgrade.. another 350-500 CHF or so for a nice one.
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I just changed the battery on one of my old MBPs today .. From 2013 ..

Took my about 45 minutes to disassemble, dissolve the adhesive, clean it all out and reassemble with the new battery .. For 50.- it's a pretty good new lease of life for a seven year old laptop, which otherwise worked just fine.
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Maybe worth watching the vid from Louis Rossmann before you buy..

Depending on your views on privacy

This is talking about a protocol called OCSP that uses SSL or public/private key encryption. So the data is encrypted on your laptop before it is sent to Apple in this case. Nothing goes across the wire in plan text beyond the destination address needed to route the packet to its destination.

OCSP is checking that the application you are using is an authorised version, which seems reasonable to me.

Sure you rather be using a jacked version on your windows laptop with some free randomware included with it. Randomware that is perhaps selling the details you referred to in this video to the highest bidder.

Its too bad that the computer industry is getting tougher in jerks who think apps and information should be free, never mind the guys working on it needing to earn a living.

This guy looks like he talking out of his a**e and indeed he is.
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...This guy looks like he talking out of his a**e and indeed he is.
Apple implemented tools to bypass users wish for privacy:
Apple's response...
Apple's Apps bypass content filter and VPN

together with planned or non-planned exploits like this:

iOS zero-click radio proximity exploit
To me it looks like Apple is just slowly and shyly following the other big two in breaching our privacy. Fact that Google is giant open merchant of personal data and that Microsoft is trying to be the same doesn't mean Apple is good boy automatically. Pressure on big companies means they will do better service in the future and I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Bumping this as I find myself totally confused now....

My mid-2015 15" MBP feels like it's coming to the end of its life for me; I'm not a "power user" re video editing, and do all my photo editing on the iPad. But OTOH I'm a heavy user, all day every day, including running Win10 and specialist translation software in Parallels. Currently have 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Fan is running all the time, too many things are too slow.

So I thought, with the new MBPs out, the summer's Intel ones would be a bit cheaper, and they are, but not by a huge amount. Saw the 13" with 32GB RAM/2TB SSD on Microspot at a price I could live with and was about to pull the trigger, but.....

Then I looked at the Geekbench benchmark, which reckons the M1 is around 30% faster than the Intel i7. Moreover, the new MBP with the M1 is about CHF 700 less than I was looking to pay for the Intel - but can only get 16GB RAM.

What would you do? Given I need both the Mac side and the Windows side to run well and don't want to be sitting around waiting for things to happen - app opening, saves etc. - should I be looking at more RAM or a faster processor? And is 16GB RAM really worth CHF 700?

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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

ETA (since the edit box for my post above is blank), in case it's material:

The Geekbench benchmark also says the M1 is nearly twice as fast as the processor in my current machine

My primary memory hog seems to be Firefox because I'm not good at closing tabs that have sth I want to act on but not bookmark.
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Some very positive reviews on YouTube for the M1 chip. But you pay extra for it...
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Some very positive reviews on YouTube for the M1 chip. But you pay extra for it...

Yet the spec I'm looking at is CHF 700 cheaper than the Intel, and the only difference is the RAM...


OTOH I'm reading some concerning things about running Windows VMs on the M1. Parallels isn't compatible yet and no timeline on when a compatible version is likely to be launched...
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