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New Shiny Apple Things

I'm not really an Apple user but have to admire their ballsy move of moving to ARM64. The performance of their new products seem impressive. Tempted to buy one just to play with.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Maybe. I think many will be disappointed there wasn't updated to the chassis

The battery improvements & speed will tempt many though
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Old 11.11.2020, 17:28
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

I very much am an Apple user. I think the move is admirable, but was surprised at the amount of spin vs. Hard data in the presentation. It felt like a lot of very carefully chosen comparisons with no verifiable backup or benchmarks.

I‘m going to be very interested to see the benchmarks and some real life reviews.

I find it odd that the RAM is capped at 16gb. I know that you can‘t do a like for like comparison but that‘s what I have in my 2012 rMBP. Next time I buy a laptop I want it to last 8 years like that one has, so want more memory.

I‘ve had a MBA before (prior to the rMBP) and that had lots of throttling and heat management issues, so going fanless with this one is certainly an interesting move, particularly as they‘ve tacitly admitted it needs cooling to run at full tilt for any length of time (otherwise why not make the MBP and MM fanless too?). Having said that, GF needs a new laptop, so maybe a MBA for Christmas.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

I can remember that Apple changed from PowerPC to Intel. That's already 14 years ago. Time flies!
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

And that was a real headache. Apparently it won’t be so difficult this time as the new chips should run intel programs.
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I very much am an Apple user. I think the move is admirable, but was surprised at the amount of spin vs. Hard data in the presentation. It felt like a lot of very carefully chosen comparisons with no verifiable backup or benchmarks.
Apple were never one to go deep into specs and were traditionally behind the curve in performance. However, you can get some insights into performance by looking at the performance of the A14 chip. Presumably, Apple will have made some improvements and the chip will have a higher thermal budget due to the form factor.

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I‘ve had a MBA before (prior to the rMBP) and that had lots of throttling and heat management issues, so going fanless with this one is certainly an interesting move, particularly as they‘ve tacitly admitted it needs cooling to run at full tilt for any length of time (otherwise why not make the MBP and MM fanless too?). Having said that, GF needs a new laptop, so maybe a MBA for Christmas.
MBA is probably more targetted towards light computing tasks. That said, the ARM64 arch is typically more efficient from a performance per watt perspective and the Apple chip is built on the latest 5nm process node so will further have energy advantages. Combined with some intelligent software, throttling problems could be much reduced.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

It's an interesting move, yes.




Microsoft needs to release Office for it.


I would be tempted to buy this for my dad - but he's very used to Windows.
And more importantly, I bought a Brother MFP last year for them on a daydeal clearance-sale.
I wonder if the management software will ever be updated to run on Apple Silicon?


Already, the macOS version of the administration-utility looks a bit like an afterthought.


Will it run with Rosetta2?


It's things like this that can make this "transition" very annoying to the end-user.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Impressive move by apple. With the same M1 chip is MBP really worth it? Most common users wil be able to handsomely get by with the MBA performance.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Early reviews indicate that M1 is indeed faster , 9to5mac.com Article claiming that M1 beats 16 inch MBP and here is the AnandTech Article
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Hi,

I think it is interesting and there is already a version of Windows that runs on Arm but still have some issues and have not been popular. Sadly Apple have not improved the hardware and so you still have a dreadful keyboard. In terms of software not having Bootcamp will be a real problem for many. Whether you like or dislike is subjective.

I think I read there will be an ARM version of Office for MAC, on the Surface X it is just using emulated x86 code to run office.


If it was any other company than Apple the I would have expected a price reduction as the Mac book air is still too expensive.

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Benchmarks are out already for those saying they want to see them - Geekbench so nothing to do with Apple.

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11...rst-benchmark/


Very impressive the multi-core performance of the Air is not far behind the 2019 8 core Mac Pro!

Further benchmark tests - performance of Intel emulation in single core tests under M1 chip still faster than any Intel CPU available on OSX (inc i9):

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15...x86-benchmark/

Great news for app devs as lessens the need for any rush to port to native ARM code.

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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

MacOS is going to merge with iOS ultimately, and this is part of the journey. The fact that the M1 is runs faster, cooler and uses less power is a benefit to everyone really, Apple and its customers.

If I had the money I would go and buy one at the end of the week when they come out. I think is a bold move to do the switch, but then again Apple is a bold company. If the M1 isn't really required, then it is a good time to pickup an Intel based MacBook for a price too, I think come the January sales you'll see some very interesting deals indeed.

I know they're expensive compared with your average Wintel laptop, but I think it worth it... as for the comment about keyboards, they addressed that more than a year ago. Besides which you should get yourself a keyboard condom, they aren't expensive and may save your laptop from an accidental spill.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

On Average I’ve owned each of my Macs for over 5 years.
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Old 16.11.2020, 10:19
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Pretty sure I'm due a new one.. We have 6 iMacs, airs, MB pros in our house and most are pretty old now, they get passed down and last for ever, in computer terms..

But the main MBP pro I use now is 5 years old and the battery is showing it's age now, I'll probably replace that with a new air this week and then change the battery and pass it down the chain again.

I'll wait until Interdiscount have them so I get my coop points
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

I'm tempted to get the new mini to play with, but wanted to see whether the RAM and SSD are user-upgradeable as the Apple mark-up for storage and RAM is huge.
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I'm tempted to get the new mini to play with, but wanted to see whether the RAM and SSD are user-upgradeable as the Apple mark-up for storage and RAM is huge.
What I often do is buy the absolute minimum and turn to third party providers and do the upgrades myself. There are a number of them that can provide high quality products and great instructional videos.

This the one I have used most.

Here is one of their instructional videos.
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Re: New Shiny Apple Things

Maybe worth watching the vid from Louis Rossmann before you buy..

Depending on your views on privacy

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What I often do is buy the absolute minimum and turn to third party providers and do the upgrades myself. There are a number of them that can provide high quality products and great instructional videos.

This the one I have used most.

Here is one of their instructional videos.
it depends. with the new chip, apple could have put the ssd controller in the M1 chip itself and use proprietary SSDs to lock you in (or have the NANDs soldered onto the motherboard). for RAM also it is unclear to me whether these are upgradeable using standard modules or whether it is locked down or soldered on.

if they use standard modules, i'd just do the upgrade myself.
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What I often do is buy the absolute minimum and turn to third party providers and do the upgrades myself. There are a number of them that can provide high quality products and great instructional videos.

This the one I have used most.

Here is one of their instructional videos.
That doesn't work on the M1 as RAM memory is integrated in the chip. It's either 8 or 16 Gb and you need to decide when buying. The plus: it's supposed to perform much better.
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That doesn't work on the M1 as RAM memory is integrated in the chip. It's either 8 or 16 Gb and you need to decide when buying. The plus: it's supposed to perform much better.
Yeah this .. The CPU, GPU and Memory plus secure enclave and other bits and pieces is one unit..

Marques Brownlee has a pretty good video on it without going too deep into the tech.
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