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Home Theatre System

Because of Corona, I have been staying much more time at home than earlier.
Was intrigued by Home Theatre system and upgrading from my Samsung soundbar. I have been trying to educate myself on the same. I like Floor Standing speakers and wanted to hear from folks who have set up such a system. I read about Klipsch, Dali, Jamo, Denon etc but don't know enough about them. Can you share your advise on:
Which floor standing speakers to consider?
Which Amplifier would be recommended (same brand or another one).
I have a big TV which I use to see movies and Netflix.
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Re: Home Theatre System

Short answer: buy what you like listen to.

But more seriously: this is a very subjective topic. Whatever found perfect by others might not be your best choice. If you are picky about sound quality probably you will need to exchange components (amp, speakers, cables, etc) one-by-one to find the combination for yourself. Buy second hand in this case!
So I recommend: collect a list whatever features you need (music streaming, surround, vinyl, whatever). Set your budget (and spend around 2/3 of it on speakers).
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Set your budget (and spend around 2/3 of it on speakers).
And ~5-10% on quality cabling. Even the best speakers/amp combo can be let down by poor cabling. Ideally both the speakers and the amp have banana plug inputs so that you don't need to mess around with a screwdriver in a confined space.

For speakers, sky's the limit. I remember seeing some (used) B&Ws on Ricardo for 10k (yep, 10k Swiss Francs for two speakers).

I'll stay away from brand recommendations as I don't know enough about multiple brands - running an older Denon myself. If I were to change it, I would look for:
- 4 HDMI inputs, 2 HDMI outputs (TV and projector in my case - if you don't need the second output, price drops notably)
- AirPlay and/or Google Cast built-in (depending on whether your house is an Apple or Google shop); this will make playing music/videos off the phone extremely easy
- depending on the sort of remote controls you run - infrared/Bluetooth/WiFi support
- obviously some form of networking (wired/wireless)
- more and more popular: 4k output or passthrough, HDMI 2.0
A search with all of the above criteria (which are my criteria, not necessarily yours): https://geizhals.de/?cat=hifirec&xf=...K-Pass-Through will give you a good idea of the models and price ranges.

Depending on your room layout / size and consumption habits, you might be fine with a 5.1 setup or go all the way to 11.2. In principle, any output configuration is "downwards compatible" (i.e. a receiver listed as 9.2 will work perfectly fine with a 5.1 speaker setup).

If you have the space for it (a large white wall or place for a dedicated screen), I would certainly advise you to consider buying a projector. Do keep in mind that most will require a dark room (so window blinds / heavy curtains are needed), but no TV (in a realistic price range) can match the experience of a 4m-diagonal screen.
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Re: Home Theatre System

From my experience, 2 main questions:
1. do you have a dedicated room or just your living room which in Switzerland means an open space which includes dining and even the kitchen?
2. budget?


My first attempt was in an open living room, as I had a corner apartment, one side was open to the dining area and 2 of the 3 walls were giant glass sliding doors. I could never get the sound right especially because of the glass walls, and I did not bother with a projector as it will never be dark enough. Actually I am more of a music enthusiast, so this first setup was built around my hi-fi system. But there simply wasn't much point upping the budget if the space isn't right.

Then I moved to another place where I could have a dedicated room about 5.5x3.5m, with only a small window in the back. This was so much better for the sound. I had Q Acoustics 5.1 speakers (you should look these up, eg., the 3050 cinema pack) a yamaha receiver, Sony Projector, a fixed 110 inch projector screen. I can't remember all the details but the sound setup was close to Fr.3k, and the projector and screen another Fr.3.5k. The audio budget is on the low side actually and it is all I could afford, but for music listening, I had a dedicated hifi system in my living room, so this is purely for home movies (and it doubles as a workout studio). Since then (about 8 years), I think I have been to the movies less than 10 times.

Now in my current place, I have a smaller dedicated windowless room, about 4.5m x 3m. Any type of boxy speakers would block the door, so I had to switch to flat speakers (KEF T series), which are surprisingly good, and with that I also upgraded to a 4K capable receiver which was really popular at that time, the Denon x3200. I got a new 55inch OLED TV, and a 100 inch projector screen that would drop down from the ceiling in front of the TV. Now with the TV, this room gets a lot more use as we don't have to fire up the whole system just to watch TV.

There were 2 issues with the Denon. Firstly, the sound is bright compared to my old Yamaha. The sound of glass shattering is nice, but I preferred the yamaha's rumbling. Secondly, the 2 HDMI outs did not work how it normally should. I wanted the same signal to go out to my TV or projector at the same time. But no... switching from TV to Projector means swapping the cables so the whole purpose is defeated. A check on AVforums and call to Denon confirmed that it is how it is... So I sold the Denon and got the Yamaha Aventage and I am happy. I'm upset with Denon for the misleading 2 HDMI out function.

My next project is a 4K upgrade. I like the huge projection, but nowadays you can get top range 75+ inch TVs for about Fr.3k, with better picture quality than projectors that costs twice as much. I am starting to think that unless you have a room big enough for a 4m (158 inch) diagonal screen, a projector does not make sense. I have PMC speakers for my hifi system in the living room so I also dream of better sound in my home theater, but I think it is overkill and anyway I'd need a bigger room to make it worthwhile.
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Re: Home Theatre System

Two more hints came to my mind:

Choose carefully if you want a multiroom system. Going for Sonos/Heos will narrow the selection of your future devices significantly.

Are you a big movie fan and really want a sorround system? I'm personally fed up with all the cables and prefer a nice stereo system even for watching films. Ohh and a slim line stereo receiver even fits to the TV stand 😎
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Re: Home Theatre System

A little hint: If you live in an apartment, Floor Standing speakers can cause problems with the neighbours.
I had them, living top floor and a neighbour who worked shifts, living ground floor could not sleep. He agreed my music was very low when I invited him in but the bass drove him nuts/kept him from sleeping. I ended up setting them on styrofoam, not very pretty but it solved the problem. Just a thought. If you live in a house by yourself of course this is no subject.
The flats were "Eigentumswohnungen", you could hear absolutely nothing from the neighbours .... except bass.
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Re: Home Theatre System

Thank you all for your comments.
I have a 80 Inch TV (3D so a bit old now but great picture still.... :-)
The living Room has Glass Walls on two sides but then there is wall outside (bit of space between the two).
I mainly watch TV and occasionally listen to music.
I live on the 1st floor so have neighbours below but am not too worried because they will tell me if they feel the noise impact.
I was looking at the Klipsch RP series but have never heard them before or owned them so can't say.
Budget is between 2-3G for Speakers and AV receiver. I could go up if needed but I want to start conservative and see how it goes.
Always had Soundbars before and thus thought it is time I grew up and got a proper sound system. Also thinking of getting a Turntable.
Not a big fan of Multi-room systems so Sonos is not an option. I spend most of my time in the Living and Dining room.
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Because of Corona, I have been staying much more time at home than earlier.
Was intrigued by Home Theatre system and upgrading from my Samsung soundbar. I have been trying to educate myself on the same. I like Floor Standing speakers and wanted to hear from folks who have set up such a system. I read about Klipsch, Dali, Jamo, Denon etc but don't know enough about them. Can you share your advise on:
Which floor standing speakers to consider?
Which Amplifier would be recommended (same brand or another one).
I have a big TV which I use to see movies and Netflix.
Thank you for advise.
1) Do you want a 2.1 stereo or 5.1 surround sound system?
2) How big is the room?

Your budget is good enough for a great system.
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Re: Home Theatre System

The room is 15 Feet by 15 feet.
Glass walls on the left and front.
I don't know if 2,1 is better or 5,1. I want to avoid too many speakers but what do I know.... :-)
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A little hint: If you live in an apartment, Floor Standing speakers can cause problems with the neighbours.
I had them, living top floor and a neighbour who worked shifts, living ground floor could not sleep. He agreed my music was very low when I invited him in but the bass drove him nuts/kept him from sleeping. I ended up setting them on styrofoam, not very pretty but it solved the problem. Just a thought. If you live in a house by yourself of course this is no subject.
The flats were "Eigentumswohnungen", you could hear absolutely nothing from the neighbours .... except bass.

Another option to the styrofoam might be the rubber pads that Hornbach and OBI sell. Cost CHF 10.- to 12.- for a 60x60x1.5 cm pad. Normally used under washing machines to stop noise transfer and to stop them from "walking".

Here is the Hornbach link:

https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Support...3/article.html

One pad should easily work for two speakers.
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The room is 15 Feet by 15 feet.
Glass walls on the left and front.
I don't know if 2,1 is better or 5,1. I want to avoid too many speakers but what do I know.... :-)
Go all out with 7.1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.1_surround_sound
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The room is 15 Feet by 15 feet.
Glass walls on the left and front.
I don't know if 2,1 is better or 5,1. I want to avoid too many speakers but what do I know.... :-)
I would always go 5.1, it’s just so much better. I’m not talking bullets flying around or helicopter flying behind and overhead, but atmospheric sounds. Like a scene where it’s raining.

But the challenge is if the rear speakers get too big for the living room. I used to have small enough rear speakers, but with the stands, it was still rather intrusive. Now I have flat speakers, I realized just how intrusive they were. Even for bookshelf style speakers, unless they go into bookshelves, you need to figure out how to get them to the right height. So the decision is not just about which speakers, but how how you want to place them. Stands? Screwed to the wall? I would have gone for the monitor audio R90 or R45 for rears if I didn’t go flat with the KEF T.
Then you have to think about how to run the cables...
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The room is 15 Feet by 15 feet.
Glass walls on the left and front.
I don't know if 2,1 is better or 5,1. I want to avoid too many speakers but what do I know.... :-)
Get 5.1 and wire it up properly, your ears will thank you. an example of a nice setup:

AV Receiver:- Denon AVR-X2700H - 809chf https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...ivers-13843976
Review: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/denon-avr-x2700h

Speakers front floorstanders: Dali Oberon 5 - 665chf https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...echer-10627924
Review: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/dali-oberon-5

Speakers center: Dali Oberon Vokal 312chf - https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...echer-10630114
Review: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/dal...peaker-package

Speakers rear: Dali Oberon 1 - 380chf - https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product...echer-10628284
Review: https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/dali-oberon-1

Subwoofer: This is a bit more personal and I suggest doing more research for whatever budget you decide on. SVS are amazing, I love mine although I had to source it from Ebay https://www.svsound.com/collections/sealed-subwoofers

That's 2166chf without the subwoofer. I just used Whathifi for reviews for simplicity's sake but you can google lots more.
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Re: Home Theatre System

For such a small room 5k is going to be overkill. A friend uses an old logitech PC system and it's good for movies. Better than my separate receiver/speaker set-up. But the particular model hasn't been available for a very long time and newer versions have never lived up to it. My very very old super-budget 100euro 5.1 speaker set also sounds pretty good for movies.



You could get something very very nice for that money and that's fine if you want something great to look at but you're unlikely to get anywhere near the best out of it. The room shape, and likely construction, will be working against you.


Go listen to set-ups before buying and a simple google search will find you forums with all the advice and opinion you could ever need.
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I can tell you i have a Onkyo RZ830 as receiver. (from https://www.elektrowelt24.eu/shop/ much cheaper than in CH, even with customs)

Teufel Ultima 40 mk2 5.1 system https://teufel.ch/ultima-40-surround-51-set-105789000 (directly from teufel, with all taxes included)

but today I would suggest the version with better sub https://teufel.ch/ultima-40-surround...-set-105950000

plus 4 front/rear height Sony ss-ms7 for Atmos/Dts:X effects.


The whole system costed less than 2000
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Home Theatre System

Folks

Thank you for your inputs and suggestions. Highly appreciated.

I finally went with the following:
Klipsch 8000f Floor Standing Speakers
Marantz SR6014 Receiver
Klipsch 600 Centre Speaker
Got a good deal on Klipsch and Marantz.

I have held off on the sub-woofer for the moment but will look at SVS as an option.
I will be moving apartments and thus the speakers should suffice for the larger room.

Will let you know how the set-up sounds.....I think this will be quite an adventure.... B-)

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Marantz SR2014 Receiver
Is that a model from 2014? I am struggling to find it online.
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Is that a model from 2014? I am struggling to find it online.
I could find them at Digitec and Azone.ch. Check out Azone.ch. Seems to be a good option for AV.
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I could find them at Digitec and Azone.ch. Check out Azone.ch. Seems to be a good option for AV.
There is no Marantz SR2014, did you mistype the model name?
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