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M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

Gen 11 Intel may be the last breath of Intel in the laptop space before the deluge of ARM-based machines. If I buy the X1 Carbon, I'll be running Linux on it. At the same time, media is losing their minds drooling over the M1.

The ideal buy would be a 14 inch M1x Macbook but this will likely be out Q3/Q4, and my current 2011 Macbook may not survive until then. If forced to buy today, which one would you go for?
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

An AMD Zen-3 based notebook.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

If you want or need to run x86 VMs or games: Lenovo
If you don't need to do that: 13" MBP-M1 with 16GB RAM.

Should be good for 5 years, given Apple's history with iOS devices.

If you plan on upgrading to the (very likely) faster Mx-Macs down the line rather soon: just the base-level MacBookAir.
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Old 13.02.2021, 07:15
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Gen 11 Intel may be the last breath of Intel in the laptop space before the deluge of ARM-based machines. If I buy the X1 Carbon, I'll be running Linux on it. At the same time, media is losing their minds drooling over the M1.

The ideal buy would be a 14 inch M1x Macbook but this will likely be out Q3/Q4, and my current 2011 Macbook may not survive until then. If forced to buy today, which one would you go for?
What makes you think the 2011 might die? Something specific? I use a 2013 mbp everyday, not for work but for everything else. I gave it an ssd many years ago and a new battery just a couple of months ago, works great.

Anyways, guessing since you use such old machine it's not for a demanding task .. I'd probably stick with apple since it's unix and lasts forever, in computer terms, the intel versions are pretty discounted already.
You can always sell it for 80% of it's new price in a years time and change if needs be.
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Gen 11 Intel may be the last breath of Intel in the laptop space before the deluge of ARM-based machines. If I buy the X1 Carbon, I'll be running Linux on it. At the same time, media is losing their minds drooling over the M1.

The ideal buy would be a 14 inch M1x Macbook but this will likely be out Q3/Q4, and my current 2011 Macbook may not survive until then. If forced to buy today, which one would you go for?
This is all about OS choice isn't it? If you are ready to drop OSX then I think you should. Apple is moving towards more locked down ecosystem and machines are much less flexible then they used to be. It's not just about CPU, memory is soldered and even worse: SSDs are soldered on the board.

Besides shameless prices for upgrades soldering components with limited lifespan on a board is really, really nasty decision!

Several years ago I had a runaway process on one of my development machines that was constantly trashing SSD, machine was running for two month and I only noticed runaway process when I got S.M.A.R.T. alert that my disk has only 25% life remaining.
I was lucky here because it was a Hackintosh (and no, the process had nothing to do with that machine being a hackintosh) with swappable SSD but imagine this happening to your shiny new macbook pro.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

If you're going to run Linux I would have a look at https://starlabs.systems/ (LabTop Mk IV)
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What makes you think the 2011 might die? Something specific? I use a 2013 mbp everyday, not for work but for everything else. I gave it an ssd many years ago and a new battery just a couple of months ago, works great.
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I have had a few times where it "ejects" from screen to grey apple logo. Reboot solves it, but I fear the graphics card is on the way. Wife had these for a while (2012 machine) and one day it just did not wish to boot, period. Apple said it was too old to repair, authorised service asked for 750 chufs in repair estimate, so she got a M1 Air. She loves it. I find it on the small side + keyboard travel is minimal.

The apps I use are cross-platform, so they can be had on anything (including windows). Key decisions for me are: screen, portability, battery life and keyboard... Not randomly pitting the Lenovo against a Macbook

Either Apple doing a 14inch, or Lenovo doing a X1 ARM-based would work. Praying for the current mbp to last me just another 6 months (which is tall order on almost 10 years of daily hard labor... Another avenue would be pre-owned Macbook /Thinkpad to bridge the gap until the proper machine is out.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

I have a 15 inch MacBook Pro Retina Mid 2012 (2.6 GHz Quad-Core Intel i7, 16GB Ram), which is still faster (or at least I have the impression) than the 2020 Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 (AMD Ryzen 5) I got for my wife... (that was a dud).

My only concern with my current MacBook Pro is that it is limited to macOS Catalina and cannot be upgraded to macOS Big Sur. End of support date for Catalina remains to be announced but for my main laptop I do feel more comfortable running the latest OS.

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Gen 11 Intel may be the last breath of Intel in the laptop space before the deluge of ARM-based machines. If I buy the X1 Carbon, I'll be running Linux on it. At the same time, media is losing their minds drooling over the M1.

The ideal buy would be a 14 inch M1x Macbook but this will likely be out Q3/Q4, and my current 2011 Macbook may not survive until then. If forced to buy today, which one would you go for?
I have only ThinkPads and I use Linux on them. My latest is a first generation X1 Yoga (or third generation if you refer to the X1 basis). I'm satisfied and productive with this versatile machine -- but the OneLink+ is a pain compared to more recent USB-C devices that can connect anything and the keyboard doesn't have the depth of my previous ThinkPad T460. A more recent X1 Carbon probably has USB-C and since it's not a 'convertible', the keyboard may be better than that of the Yoga.

I can only imagine a Macbook if one is attached to the Apple ecosystem. Moreoever, no machine is future-proof and who knows, maybe ARM will be the next big thing. I buy used every single time so I'm not too worried if one day, it's time to move on.
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Old 14.02.2021, 21:07
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

Still running a 2011 Mac mini to read the latest scintillating offerings on EF.
But alas itīs three OSīs behind now, High Sierra is the OS last Iīll be deploying, I canīt complain, its a great machine and I hope to run it as long as I can.
I have been a fanboi since system 5.4 came on three diskettes and I will probably stay with the big apple as long as I can use a mouse.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

While my macbooks have been of high quality I wouldn't agree they last forever. Maybe the oldest was of highest quality (among 6 me and my husband had so far, 2008 if I recall correctly) but both older ones I used run into problems at some point (either sound became terrible or started blocking randomly, though never died straight away).

Just for reference the ones that were replaced were among top specifications at their time (did not opt for the highest for the purchase last month as the prices have gone rather up...)
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

I guess you consider the thinkpad X1 as a possibility because it's available and lower price than Mac. As chuff mentioned, take a look at Asus zenbooks: 11th generation i7, 16 GB ram, slim and robust laptop, and nice price. https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s1/product...ebook-13700465
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

Just a quick word of warning - check the order dates for the X1 Carbon.

For us (back in September) it specified 2-3 weeks. It didn't arrive for over 2 months.

Lenovo didn't seem to appreciate that this was a problem....
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Quick notice about the M1...

The media is losing it because it show great benchmark results of an architecture that isn't yet supported by 3rd party softwares. On real-case-scenearios it stands up against it rivals because everything (beside the Apple software) has to be emulated.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

Your only option right now is something other than M1.

I think Linux support and drivers come in 3 main categories:

1- None: Apple M1
2- Supported by Manufacturer: Dell & Lenovo (for laptops that come with Linux preinstalled or that have a Linux section of downloadable drivers)
3- Community Based - The rest of laptops, depending on how popular each laptop is in the Linux community.

If you want Linux natively and not virtualized, I would go with option 2 for professional work or 3 if you want to get your hands dirty and are not worried about buggy drivers.

M1 is a wonderful step in the right direction, but not as Linux ready as the other options.
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What makes you think the 2011 might die? Something specific? I use a 2013 mbp everyday, not for work but for everything else. I gave it an ssd many years ago and a new battery just a couple of months ago, works great.

Anyways, guessing since you use such old machine it's not for a demanding task .. I'd probably stick with apple since it's unix and lasts forever, in computer terms, the intel versions are pretty discounted already.
You can always sell it for 80% of it's new price in a years time and change if needs be.
I bought another Mid 2010 White Macbook as a backup to the one I have. 120chfs or so, the keyboard on the other was dodgy. It is so good I moved my 2TB SSD and 12GB ram over (will go up to 16GB) and just carried on as usual. Battery life is fantastic now it has an SSD.
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Just a quick word of warning - check the order dates for the X1 Carbon.

For us (back in September) it specified 2-3 weeks. It didn't arrive for over 2 months.

Lenovo didn't seem to appreciate that this was a problem....
It is not yet available, but your warning is manifesting like mad: the product page goes from "coming soon" to "preorder" to "temporarily unavailable" like its a random number generator. Scary
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Still running a 2011 Mac mini to read the latest scintillating offerings on EF.
But alas itīs three OSīs behind now, High Sierra is the OS last Iīll be deploying, I canīt complain, its a great machine and I hope to run it as long as I can.
I have been a fanboi since system 5.4 came on three diskettes and I will probably stay with the big apple as long as I can use a mouse.
See dosdude1.com or the forums.macrumors.com - I have 2008 and 2012 Mac Pros and 2009 17" MBP all running Catalina - way beyond the officially supported releases.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

Be aware there are also stories the new M1 MBPs are writing so much to their SSDs that they *could* be dead in 2 years - not sure how true that is, and pretty sure Apple would fix it ASAP if true - but worth keeping an eye on.
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Re: M1 Macbook, or Thinkpad X1 Carbon

As I understood it, it's an exaggeration.

Usually, Apple will address this with a patch.

In other news, there are reports about "glitches" with external displays. The "pink-squares-gate"....
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