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init7/fiber7 referral?

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Does anyone have a referral code for init7/fiber7 ISP?
Would be much appreciated.

A big thanks to posters here for the valuable content. Helped me in narrowing down my choices.

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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

I'm sending you referral via private message

Init7 has been the best ISP I have been with since Be Un Ltd (before sky took over) back in the day.
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Init7 has been the best ISP I have been with since Be Un Ltd (before sky took over) back in the day.
Thank you. Indeed, that seems to be the overall consensus (both here and on Google reviews). I actually wanted to go with InterXS initially, but there were some issues:
- you must have a local mobile number in order to submit an order, it doesn't let you proceed otherwise (I dont have a Swiss number just yet)
- when I tried calling their support number via Skype to see if it would be possible to enter an order somehow manually with a number in a different format, I would always get "all our operators are busy" and after being on waiting for 2 minutes the call just disconnected on their end. I tried at least 5 different times during the day with the same results. So I figured I should go with my 2nd option, which was init7.
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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

Could someone send me his/her referral code as well? Saves us both 111 CHF
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Could someone send me his/her referral code as well? Saves us both 111 CHF
Sent you one via PM Lukkie.

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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

Can I also have a referral code for Init7? I am in the process of switching ISPs and are seriously considering Init7. According to the OTO ID check, I can get Fiber7 which is if I understand correctly an AON, P2P link (cool). Info on init7.ch webpage is way better than any other provider but still bit cryptic. Hard to work out the technical details.

One question, financially this is not a best offer, 65 CHF per month with 155 CHF setup fee is more than most others, not to mention one annual bill of 777 CHF. Fair enough, it is a guaranteed bandwidth but I can get same thing from teleboy for example for 49 CHF per month and a 49 CHF setup fee. So why Init7???
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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

Please feel free to use mine: 56364491538
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Can I also have a referral code for Init7? I am in the process of switching ISPs and are seriously considering Init7. According to the OTO ID check, I can get Fiber7 which is if I understand correctly an AON, P2P link (cool). Info on init7.ch webpage is way better than any other provider but still bit cryptic. Hard to work out the technical details.

One question, financially this is not a best offer, 65 CHF per month with 155 CHF setup fee is more than most others, not to mention one annual bill of 777 CHF. Fair enough, it is a guaranteed bandwidth but I can get same thing from teleboy for example for 49 CHF per month and a 49 CHF setup fee. So why Init7???

Init7 is good, but as a normal user you will not really see any difference between init7 and other operator.
A friend of mine switched from init7 to Sunrise (who had their GPON/10GBit on very good offer on qoqa.ch for 35 / month) and it works at least as good as init7.
Have a look at yallo.ch/fiber of salt fiber (as I had bad experience with salt mobile and good with yallo / sunrise I'd check yallo - if you have their mobile yallo 10gbit fiber (but this is shared and not guaranteed) is 39 / month
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Init7 is good, but as a normal user you will not really see any difference between init7 and other operator.
A friend of mine switched from init7 to Sunrise (who had their GPON/10GBit on very good offer on qoqa.ch for 35 / montht ) and it works at least as good as init7.
Have a look at yallo.ch/fiber of salt fiber (as I had bad experience with salt mobile and good with yallo / sunrise I'd check yallo - if you have their mobile yallo 10gbit fiber (but this is shared and not guaranteed) is 39 / month
I am not a normal user ;-) Problem with Sunrise and others, that offer 10Gbits XGS-PON, is that they do not allow/support use of own routers. No bridge mode. For me this is a must due to very specific VPN requirements that can only be done with my own router that I have full control over. In addition I do not care about 10Gbit, 99.9% can't use the bandwidth anyway, it's just a marketing bs.

I'd rather stick with a symmetrical AON 1Gbit/s link that allows me to use my own equipment the way I WANT and NEED to use ;-) There are few that fit that description, question is which one to chose.
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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

I don't really see an issue with double NAT'ing your things. It's an imperfect solution to an imperfect problem, but it works. Performance loss is minimal, if any at all.
Configure your ISP-bound box to give a 192.168.1.x LAN, plug your own router in with 192.168.1.x as its WAN and 192.168.2.x as the LAN for your actual clients.
I reckon you could even do double port-forwarding (12345 on the Internet side of the ISP box -> 12345 on the WAN side of your own router -> 12345 on client X of your own router). Never tried it though.
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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

Is there any fiber provider in CH that does not insist on 24 months (or at least 12 month) contracts (and no, Salt does not count)?

I want to switch to fiber but don't want contractual obligation that is longer than 3-6 months. I cant find any, and it seems this is also a new trend with mobile providers as well (sunrise keeps sending me 'offers' to switch to the new subscription after the merger with UPC that is more expensive - and guess what - 24 months !!! (my current one is with no obligation)... seriously!...))
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Is there any fiber provider in CH that does not insist on 24 months (or at least 12 month) contracts (and no, Salt does not count)?
Init7, Green and Teleboy for example all offer 12 month contracts. I am not aware of any provider offering contracts shorter than 12 months, at least not for a decent price.
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Init7 has been the best ISP I have been with since Be Un Ltd (before sky took over) back in the day.
Init7 are good but they are also 2x the price of many other fibre providers now.
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Init7 are good but they are also 2x the price of many other fibre providers now.
Well, not exactly 2x the price but at 65 CHF per month plus 155 CHF setup fee, definitely more expensive than Green or Teleboy @ 49 CHF per month for example.

I do not even consider offers from Salt, Sunrise and/or Swisscom as they all put you on 10Gbits XGS-PON if available at your location (due to the cost reasons, PON is cheaper than AON) and don't give any other choice.

If I have a choice, I'd rather get 1Gbit AON than 10Gbit PON. Currently I am leaning towards Green, price is good and they are quite transparent with info about underlying technology.
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Well, not exactly 2x the price but at 65 CHF per month plus 155 CHF setup fee, definitely more expensive than Green or Teleboy @ 49 CHF per month for example.

I do not even consider offers from Salt, Sunrise and/or Swisscom as they all put you on 10Gbits XGS-PON if available at your location (due to the cost reasons, PON is cheaper than AON) and don't give any other choice.

If I have a choice, I'd rather get 1Gbit AON than 10Gbit PON. Currently I am leaning towards Green, price is good and they are quite transparent with info about underlying technology.
I am a technical guy and I had no idea what you are talking about with all that shorthand jargon so had to google it, so maybe you can make your posts a little more clear and accessible to 99.9999% of EF users and actually say why you prefer AON to PON?

Most people on this forum will be using Salt/Sunrise/Swisscom so maybe better to explain why you think it is not ideal.
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I am a technical guy and I had no idea what you are talking about with all that shorthand jargon so had to google it, so maybe you can make your posts a little more clear and accessible to 99.9999% of EF users and actually say why you prefer AON to PON?

Most people on this forum will be using Salt/Sunrise/Swisscom so maybe better to explain why you think it is not ideal.
I am a technical guy too and few days ago I had no idea either

Basically AON stands for Active Optical Network, a dedicated fibre per subscriber (from the node to the premises), some providers refer to it as P2P or point 2 point. Normally, speed limited to 1Gbit/s. Since each subscriber gets his/her own fibre not shared with anyone else, in theory bandwidth is guaranteed to be max. It is more expensive to maintain since it requires an active components like switches etc.

PON on the other hand is a Passive Optical Network or P2MP (Point to Multi Point), a shared optical fiber from the node to the building, usually with 8, 16 or 32 subscribers sharing one optical fiber and signal is split using a passive optical splitter. Cheaper to maintain but since the bandwidth is shared, the full bandwidth is not guaranteed. Comes in two flavours, GPON (1 Gbit PON) and XGS-PON, 10 Gbit PON where X stands for 10 and G for Gigabit and S for symmetrical). Not sure about how much infrastructure in Switzerland is GPON, I think most is actually XGS-PON as until recently most infrastructure was AON and once they started "upgrading" to PON, they went directly with 10Gigs option. PON is much cheaper option as they do not have run a dedicated fiber per household. As for the bandwidth, 10Gbit line in most cases it will be around 2.5 Gbit and with top of the line equipment maybe 5-7 Gbit.

Right now, in most locations where FTTH is available, it is AON. Since upgrading to PON is on the way, most locations will now have both technologies available now, AON and PON. They will not downgrade existing wiring as it does not make sense, hence both options. But providers like Swisscom, Sunrise and Salt will always prefer PON, so they structure their offer in a way that makes AON not a viable option to the customer (like 100Mbits and next up is 10Gbits). They do not even offer a 1Gbit anymore. All marketing bs.

Smaller providers still offer a 1Gbit option which normally utilizes AON technology. For example according to green.ch, at my location I have following infrastructure available:
- BBCS Glasfaser BX 1’000’000/1’000’000 Kbit/s (AON)
- BBCS Glasfaser XGS 10’000’000/10’000’000 Kbit/s (PON)

Sunrise, Swisscom and Salt will now ONLY offer the second option.

IMHO, from the customer perspective, 1 Gbit AON is more attractive since the bandwidth is guaranteed (and not much slower than real bandwidth of XGS-PON), it is also possible to use own hardware. XGS-PON hardware, media converters, network switches, routers, network interface cards for pcs is still prohibitively expensive.

For most customers though this may be of no issue as they will be content with the router they get from the provider, even though they will never come even close to fully utilizing the advertised bandwidth.
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Basically AON stands for Active Optical Network, a dedicated fibre per subscriber (from the node to the premises), some providers refer to it as P2P or point 2 point. Normally, speed limited to 1Gbit/s. Since each subscriber gets his/her own fibre not shared with anyone else, in theory bandwidth is guaranteed to be max. It is more expensive to maintain since it requires an active components like switches etc.

PON on the other hand is a Passive Optical Network or P2MP (Point to Multi Point), a shared optical fiber from the node to the building, usually with 8, 16 or 32 subscribers sharing one optical fiber and signal is split using a passive optical splitter. Cheaper to maintain but since the bandwidth is shared, the full bandwidth is not guaranteed. Comes in two flavours, GPON (1 Gbit PON) and XGS-PON, 10 Gbit PON where X stands for 10 and G for Gigabit and S for symmetrical). Not sure about how much infrastructure in Switzerland is GPON, I think most is actually XGS-PON as until recently most infrastructure was AON and once they started "upgrading" to PON, they went directly with 10Gigs option. PON is much cheaper option as they do not have run a dedicated fiber per household. As for the bandwidth, 10Gbit line in most cases it will be around 2.5 Gbit and with top of the line equipment maybe 5-7 Gbit.

Right now, in most locations where FTTH is available, it is AON. Since upgrading to PON is on the way, most locations will now have both technologies available now, AON and PON. They will not downgrade existing wiring as it does not make sense, hence both options. But providers like Swisscom, Sunrise and Salt will always prefer PON, so they structure their offer in a way that makes AON not a viable option to the customer (like 100Mbits and next up is 10Gbits). They do not even offer a 1Gbit anymore. All marketing bs.

Smaller providers still offer a 1Gbit option which normally utilizes AON technology. For example according to green.ch, at my location I have following infrastructure available:
- BBCS Glasfaser BX 1’000’000/1’000’000 Kbit/s (AON)
- BBCS Glasfaser XGS 10’000’000/10’000’000 Kbit/s (PON)

Sunrise, Swisscom and Salt will now ONLY offer the second option.

IMHO, from the customer perspective, 1 Gbit AON is more attractive since the bandwidth is guaranteed (and not much slower than real bandwidth of XGS-PON), it is also possible to use own hardware. XGS-PON hardware, media converters, network switches, routers, network interface cards for pcs is still prohibitively expensive.

For most customers though this may be of no issue as they will be content with the router they get from the provider, even though they will never come even close to fully utilizing the advertised bandwidth.
Very interesting, thanks! I think you would still be able to use your own router though for PON... you would just need a modem provided by the provider to provide the signal to your own router?
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Re: init7/fiber7 referral?

Hello,

i move from upc to fiber7 today.(contract termination with upc and new registration with init7)

Is anybody has a referral ?

Thank you
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