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Internet Privacy Worries

I think suddenly (for me anyway) it's clear the internet is totally surveilled and your data for sale. When you see the cookies on your device at any one time, and who they're from, it's just one looooong list of never-heard-of-them-businesses. Harvesting you data and selling it without you getting any money should be illegal. But everyone knows the only thing that matters is the law, and what govts determine is legal. Youve all heard the recent horror story about the surveillance app sneakily downloaded on journalist and dissidents fones across the world by govts. And in every country, even the good ones, the govt cannot seem to stand up to privacy and data regulations. It's probably all the donations they get I dont know. Who knows where all the data is going? I bet a hundred dollars its not all about 'being able to give you the best online exerience'or tailored ads or all that romance. It's intelligence agencies too. Govts.

Imagine! In America it's iconic folklore to protect your house with your life. Get off my property! But somehow, without much friction, its normalised to open the door to unknown thousands of eyes.

I think a VPN is the answer!
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Old 21.07.2021, 17:23
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

A topic close to my heart.



It's 1 possible step amongst many. Using a browser like duckduckgo is another important step. Using different email addresses for devices and app's is another. Not linking those email addresses is another. Using an app on 1 device only is another. Deleting app's often is another. Familiarising oneself with the settings of any devices and app's, and checking them regularly, is another. Limiting the amount of app's being used is another. Picking app's based on security over popularity is another. Limiting the ability for people to take snippets of our personal info from multiple places to collect and identify us is another. Changing passwords regularly, and implementing strong passwords, are others. Connecting our accounts only with accounts of people we know are trustworthy is another. Covering cameras, and restricting the use of cameras and recording, are others. Making ethical choices about websites and payment options used are others. There are many more.



There's a very primitive understanding of cyber-crime, and cyber-security, more broadly, even amongst governmental agencies responsible for it. There's an horrifying level of ignorance amongst the general population, that leaves a lot of openings for entrepreneurial scammers, blackmailers, abusers and thieves to run amok, and leaves those responsible for security on their backfoot, chasing their tails.



Consent has been disregarded, in favour of filming everyone doing everything and sharing it with every Tom, Dick or Harry.
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Old 21.07.2021, 20:37
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It's 1 possible step amongst many. Using a browser like duckduckgo is another important step. ...
Duckduckgo is not a browser except on Android. Its a search engine.

Just the same there is the Brave browser. Mozilla is also OK.
https://protonmail.com/support/knowl...nded-browsers/

For email privacy try protonmail: https://protonmail.com/

If you want to search for a good cause try: https://www.ecosia.org/
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Ghostery has released a browser, which is in beta now. May be worth to have a look at.
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Old 21.07.2021, 22:50
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Duckduckgo is not a browser except on Android. Its a search engine.

Just the same there is the Brave browser. Mozilla is also OK.
https://protonmail.com/support/knowl...nded-browsers/

For email privacy try protonmail: https://protonmail.com/

If you want to search for a good cause try: https://www.ecosia.org/
Brave, good browsing solution indeed, well featured.
For full featured, Firefox rather than the GAFAM browsers.
If you need something chrome/chromium compatible, Epic browser.
Of if you are ready for slower speeds, Tor browser. If a site blocks it, you are probably what it sells, so consider whether you really need that site.

For Android users, there is even Orbot which passes all your app traffic (not just your browsing) through a Tor proxy.

Thumb up for Ecosia if you want to help the environment, but to do that they effectively have to sell your data (aka they are "ad-supported"), so that's not a worthwhile tradeoff if privacy is your priority.

Protonmail is one of Switzerland's internet prides and may still be more secure than most for commercial purposes, but comes with two big caveats. First, its "end-to-end" encryption is relatively fragile. Second, it effectively compromised itself with N.SA and B.ND for funding purpose and quite possibly more, so you can bet these, at least, have an open door.
Consider instead Tutanota (broad based), Startmail (for easy burner emails) or Countermail (ultra-secure but compromised with Sweden).

Breathe and relax. All the while, for those who think they don't need to care, mind Edward Snowden's words:
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Old 21.07.2021, 23:58
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

What I find bizarre is that so many people complain about their online privacy but then eagerly post every aspect of their lives and thoughts and ideologies all over social media.

People use to value their privacy, but now they're valuing "likes" and attention in exchange for it.
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What I find bizarre is that so many people complain about their online privacy but then eagerly post every aspect of their lives and thoughts and ideologies all over social media.

People use to value their privacy, but now they're valuing "likes" and attention in exchange for it.
And being validated on the internet, otherwise they wouldn't post so many details about themselves... It's not sufficient to have an opinion on trivial (and non-trivial) subjects, they feel the urge to imply their opinions are more valid than others. Uhm, Ok, but then don't complain you need everyone else and their cat to know your titles, your current and previous jobs, details about family members who never gave their consent to you broadcasting about them, etc etc etc.
But yeah, people complain because they can't have it both ways. "I'm private, but I need to feel validated by a few accounts on the internet!"
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Old 22.07.2021, 07:43
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

If you don't want data about you traded, or you want money for it, then all those lovely free services won't be free.

If you don't already that if a product is free, then you are the product, you've clearly been asleep for years.
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Step 1, cancel your Facebook account
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Old 22.07.2021, 10:47
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Step 1, cancel your Facebook account
This is so obvious. I think people don't want to know.

What about Whatsup?
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When buying online I use Revalutís single-use Ďvirtualí credit card numbers. They canít clone something that doesnít exist any more.
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

So, you don't like that people sell your data and you don't get any money in return and your suggestion is then to pay for a service (VPN), so people can't get your data?

Aham, makes absolutely sense.
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Old 22.07.2021, 11:23
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So, you don't like that people sell your data and you don't get any money in return and your suggestion is then to pay for a service (VPN), so people can't get your data?

Aham, makes absolutely sense.
And what do you recommend, oh overflowing one?
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Old 22.07.2021, 11:56
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

A privacy question:

A Verein put their membership contact list - names, addresses, email, some other personal details - on a commercial messaging app. This was done without asking member consent or at least giving a chance to opt out.

Is this in line with Swiss data privacy regs?
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Old 22.07.2021, 13:32
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Re: Internet Privacy Worries

An ownership question.

Who owns your data? Is it you or is it the people* who collect, collate and sell it on?

A case in point. I have a glucose monitor which. Stuck to my skin, reads my Blood Glucose level. For me to see that information I must either use their proprietary scanner to read it, or use their app. Both devices convey the information to me, but also to them.

But who owns this data? I think itís me.


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Old 22.07.2021, 13:49
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An ownership question.

Who owns your data? Is it you or is it the people* who collect, collate and sell it on?

A case in point. I have a glucose monitor which. Stuck to my skin, reads my Blood Glucose level. For me to see that information I must either use their proprietary scanner to read it, or use their app. Both devices convey the information to me, but also to them.

But who owns this data? I think itís me.


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Probably it is defined in the terms and conditions - I agree it should be you, sadly that often is not the case in practice.

Swiss law on this is a bit vague, there isn't the same level of protection as in the EU - although if they're an EU company the pretty strict rules on personal data apply.
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Probably it is defined in the terms and conditions - I agree it should be you, sadly that often is not the case in practice.

Swiss law on this is a bit vague, there isn't the same level of protection as in the EU - although if they're an EU company the pretty strict rules on personal data apply.
Itís a US company and I donít think they think any rules apply to them,
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Old 22.07.2021, 14:55
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Step 1, cancel your Facebook account
Better still, fill your facebook with completely fake information and activities. Write a script to create multiple fake accounts with the same.

The more you can compromise the accuracy of their data, the more useless it becomes.

Hang on ... isn't this what the Russians are supposedly already doing?
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Better still, fill your facebook with completely fake information and activities. Write a script to create multiple fake accounts with the same.

The more you can compromise the accuracy of their data, the more useless it becomes.

Hang on ... isn't this what the Russians are supposedly already doing?
Exactly, perfect white noise obscures everything! Just don't use scripts for that, you might turn alarms and thus all the eyes on you being classified as a mafia member, pedophile, etc

An interesting option is to use one-off vm from big cloud providers, use, destroy, rinse and repeat when privacy is needed. Actually it would be nice to automate that, sounds like an idea for a startup

BTW, here's my secret lifehack: I search every now and again on Amazon for women's luxury cosmetics, underwear, clothes - the ads in my browser are so much nicer
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Duckduckgo is not a browser except on Android. Its a search engine.
iOS DDG is a browser.

Internet privacy depends on what you want to achieve. The greater your belief of needs in this area are, the more you need to do.

Search: DDG or Startpage
Browser: search for uBlock and cookie deletion plugins and install them

Using the same VPN will be close to not using a VPN unless you want to appear somewhere else. Limited value IMO. If you're really worried, surf from a VM and close it down not saving changes in state.

It's a classic see-saw; the more privacy you believe you want, the less convenience you will have.
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