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Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Hello all,

Searched the forums but did not get a clear enough answer.

I am trying to setup a dish that can receive both Astra 2 (at 28.2 deg for Sky) and Hotbird (13 deg).

For Sky, I have a Sky box and a subscription card already. I plan to get a 80cm dish, a receiver for Hotbird but am not sure what LNB to get. Will a monobloc Dual-LNB with output to two receivers work ? If not, what is the other option.

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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Hi brussels_expat, some of the terminology can confuse, so bear with me.

A monobloc lnb has two lnbs but only one output.
It is designed for viewing 2 different satellites with 1 reciever. (not however with a digibox, as it hasn't got the capablity to do this, but almost every other receiver has)
This type of lnb is quite common in Europe for viewing Astra 1 and Hotbird (many French / German channels on both), consequently it is the most common form of monobloc here. I think you will have difficulty getting one for Astra 2 and Hotbird.

A dual lnb has two lnbs and two outputs, however it points to the same satellite. Therefore you can have 2 satellite recievers connected, but only receive signals from one satellite.

So what do you want?
Two separate single lnbs, mounted with on the same dish or on separate dishes (depending on your location). One lnb points to Astra 2 and feeds your digibox, the other points to Hotbird and feeds your other satellite receiver.

You could have a more complicated setup with this configuration, however
I think that is enough for now
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

a monoblock is an LNB with diseqc switch built-in for two satellites 6 degrees apart. So for astra1 and hotbird it is perfect.

you want a 90cm+ dish and a "multifeedhalter". You might as well drop an LNB in at 19e for astra1 and put a diseqc switch there so you only need to drop one cable back from the dish Won't work with a Digibox though, of course.

See my dish; red circle denotes the diseqc switch fixed to the wall mount; blue shows (from L to R) quad 28e then single 19e and single 13e. One feed from each goes into the switch PLUS two more from the quad @ 28e. With two boxes, you might not need the switch but I'd take multiple feeds from 28e if I was you - then you have BBC/ITV available through both boxes.

The dish is a 1m Gilbertini and I only lose signal when snow actually LAYS on the dish/arm/LNB.
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Okay, I saw that fust are selling a double LNB with one exit for CHF39, so I dug out my old cams and cards for hotbird thinking that I could tune into both UK freeview stuff and try and get footy channels on hotbird.
But If I understand correctly it is not possible to receive Astra 2 and hotbird on an 85cm dish.

However, as Lob explained it could be possible , problem is I donít understand the technical stuff regarding "multifeedhalter" and diseqc switch, could you please explain what these are in simple terms and can I get them at Fust?

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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

If you are going to use a multifeedhalter, don't get a monoblock. Especially if you'll be using a DiSEqC switch - the monoblock also has one in it.

Monoblock is perfect for a single LNB setup with six degrees of separation between the birds (so 13/19 east, for example).

If you want to get Astra1/2 and Hotbird, I'd go prime focus on 28 east and then have the other two offset as in the picture. That's a 1m Gilbertini but you should be ok with 85cm.

I've done this myself on a balcony but the picture above was a professional installation.

The switch - never seen one in Fust but specialist satellite stores like www.satshop.ch will have 'em. The switch will take feeds from each LNB and then give you simply ONE cable down from the dish (assuming you don't use a Sky box). The receiver can then be set to switch automatically between the different satellite channels.
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Okay, so I went to a little satelitte shop here in Fribourg to find out about multifeeders and diseqc stuff, and he ended up proposing a full sky package via my modem for CHF350 per year. He says that it's a common thing here takes a day to set up and programme. It appears to work along the same lines as the Bluewin TV. He guarantees Sky sports, sky movies and all the other sky channels etc. If this works then CHF30 per month seems a steal, anyone heard of this system?

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Okay, so I went to a little satelitte shop here in Fribourg to find out about multifeeders and diseqc stuff, and he ended up proposing a full sky package via my modem for CHF350 per year. He says that it's a common thing here takes a day to set up and programme. It appears to work along the same lines as the Bluewin TV. He guarantees Sky sports, sky movies and all the other sky channels etc. If this works then CHF30 per month seems a steal, anyone heard of this system?

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no - but I am sure they would like to.

Probably some dodgy re-distribution via internet.....watch out for how long you must commit to the contract.
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no - but I am sure they would like to.

Probably some dodgy re-distribution via internet.....watch out for how long you must commit to the contract.
Well they say it's payable in advance for the year plus a one of set up fee of CHF400, so for the first year it's CHF750 then 350 thereafter, he also said that if I leave CH it can be taken and plugged in anywhere in Europe.
He would need a deposit of CHF200 for the router and programming and then the balance when it is up and running. Say's the TV quality is fine and he's never had any complaints as yet.
However you know what they say about something being to good to be true!
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

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If you are going to use a multifeedhalter, don't get a monoblock. Especially if you'll be using a DiSEqC switch - the monoblock also has one in it.

Monoblock is perfect for a single LNB setup with six degrees of separation between the birds (so 13/19 east, for example).

If you want to get Astra1/2 and Hotbird, I'd go prime focus on 28 east and then have the other two offset as in the picture. That's a 1m Gilbertini but you should be ok with 85cm.

I've done this myself on a balcony but the picture above was a professional installation.

The switch - never seen one in Fust but specialist satellite stores like www.satshop.ch will have 'em. The switch will take feeds from each LNB and then give you simply ONE cable down from the dish (assuming you don't use a Sky box). The receiver can then be set to switch automatically between the different satellite channels.
Hi, I have installed Astra and Hotbird in London and I have a SMART Receiver MX26 which blew up. I have a new one now that has been set up in Austria to receive Austria (I have a card) and I have bought Sat Access Card in January 2007 for sfr60 to receive the Swiss channels. Beginning of September all my Swiss and Austrian channels have disappeared except sfINFO.
I can't get in touch with Sat access by e-mail or phone (wrong number)
I'm desparate now to find the frequency numbers for the Swiss and Austrian channel to have it set up again.
Do you know how I can find this information.
I would appreciate it.
To add to my problems the colour on the TV has disappeared as well. I do get all the German channels on Astra and 3SAT - in black-and-white!
Can anybody help.
Thank you
Trudi
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Okay, so I went to a little satelitte shop here in Fribourg to find out about multifeeders and diseqc stuff, and he ended up proposing a full sky package via my modem for CHF350 per year. He says that it's a common thing here takes a day to set up and programme. It appears to work along the same lines as the Bluewin TV. He guarantees Sky sports, sky movies and all the other sky channels etc. If this works then CHF30 per month seems a steal, anyone heard of this system?

Nick.
Just to follow up with this, I was back at the shop today to get a couple of things and they once again proposed this Sky package, so I got a few more details, essentially you have to get a Dreambox (+/- CHF300 is what they said) and you have to have a satellite signal and a internet broadband connection I don't know the technical details but suffice to say, they come round and install the programmed dreambox and you then receive the full Sky package (sports, movies etc) the Premiere package and TPS, all this costs CHf450 per year. They have been doing this now for a couple of years with no problems, if there is a problem they will happily refund. If your Internet connection is down then the sky stuff wont work .
They assure me that they have installed this in many expat houses and have no disgruntled customers.
Maybe worth thinking about for having all that for CHF38 month.
Shops link is here: http://www.starsat.ch/locations.html

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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

they're setting up cardsharing for you. Nice
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they're setting up cardsharing for you. Nice
So what is card sharing and is it a good thing/worth it? taking into account that you can get all that stuff for CHF38 month
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

what they have is three subscriptions that function and they pay for and then they share those subscriptions over the internet.

Good business for them, reselling each sub that they pay for once multiple times over. Everyone's happy And they only need about 4 customers to break even.
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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Ah, it's become clear now. clever, as you say everyone is happy.
Maybe this could be put as a separate thread to make people aware of this cheaper option of receiving SKY and Premiere.

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Nick, whilst I agree, it's also definitely illegal. Using keys from the internet is borderline but making a business out of card sharing is risky business....
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Fair enough, I'll bow to your decision. (although it might have earnt me a few brownie points!)

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Nick, whilst I agree, it's also definitely illegal. Using keys from the internet is borderline but making a business out of card sharing is risky business....
Hi Lob

Is it just risky or illegal as well (inside switzerland). I was talking to a guy who told me that if the provider is not "officially" offering services in the country then it is "no problem" i.e. he gave me example of Canal France, that now that they are (already have) come to Switzerland; it will be difficult to sell that via sharing.

What about SKY UK ?

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Re: Astra @ (for Sky) and Hotbird 13 degrees from same dish

Btw I had the guys from starsat install

eurobird 9E / hotbird 13E / Astra 19 + 28 on a 80 cm dish.

Good stuff
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red circle denotes the diseqc switch fixed to the wall mount; blue shows (from L to R) quad 28e then single 19e and single 13e. One feed from each goes into the switch PLUS two more from the quad @ 28e. With two boxes, you might not need the switch but I'd take multiple feeds from 28e if I was you - then you have BBC/ITV available through both boxes.
How would I configure my receiver if I have more than 1 feed from 28e. For example, currently I setup "port 2 " for Astra 2. Would this help in getting a better signal quality ?
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