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Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

Ok currently I am using a 4 Port 10/100 Mbps ADSL Modem Router provided by Sunrise. Due to my high network transfer demands I would like a router with FATTER internal network tubes 10/1000Mbs routers anywhere? How much for a decent one? In PC shops I seem to find only 10/100Mbps routers.
Any advice for fat tubes

Do correct me if I have it all wrong
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

So I phoned sunrise and the guy says that there is no such thing as 1000Mbs router. Hmmm...he said that I need faster network card inside my machine. Not that he knows anything about which network card I am using currently. Where are all the IT people? Throw some light!
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

add a Gigabit SWITCH to your setup.
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

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add a Gigabit SWITCH to your setup.
So it would work like this? The Gigabit Switch (in green) will be in between the ADSL modem and my PCs? Correct?

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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

that's exactly it. Then if you have Gigabit cards in the PCs, you can get in theory faster speeds. But you'll find new bottlenecks, I'm sure.

What exactly are you trying to move around? I'm assuming video.
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that's exactly it. Then if you have Gigabit cards in the PCs, you can get in theory faster speeds. But you'll find new bottlenecks, I'm sure.

What exactly are you trying to move around? I'm assuming video.
Yeah I have gigabit cards already in the PCs. Although I might have to update the cables. Yeah there will be bottlenecks always but I preffer a bottle with a wider neck than my current thin bottle neck

Yeah video and other network based activities. Plus transfer of backup data etc etc etc

Edit- Thanks for the confirmation and help.
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

sure there are gigabit routers, but expect to pay an arm and a leg ...

I know Juniper and Cisco make them... D-Link make a few especially for gamers. there are surely more names out there

you will have to change out your cables, unless you are already setup with optical fibre
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

Cat6 cables are not fibre. Cat5e will likely get 1000Mpbs but is not certified to that speed.
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

What Lob said is correct

"A lot of people seem to think that you can transmit data at gigabit speeds over standard CAT5 cable. This is a myth though. Currently, the only twisted pair cables that support gigabit Ethernet are CAT5E and CAT6. There is also an emerging CAT7 standard, but I donít think that CAT7 cable exists yet."
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

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What Lob said is correct

"A lot of people seem to think that you can transmit data at gigabit speeds over standard CAT5 cable. This is a myth though. Currently, the only twisted pair cables that support gigabit Ethernet are CAT5E and CAT6. There is also an emerging CAT7 standard, but I donít think that CAT7 cable exists yet."
Umm, just felt the need to correct a few points here in case others get a little mislead. Cat 7 cable was ratified as a standard in 2002 and has existed in the real world for quite some time.

Now about the gigabit cable issue. Yes you CAN use standard category 5 cable to run gigabit ethernet, it is not a myth. You can theoretically get any bit of wire to do whatever you want, the only problem is that the error rate will increase as the distance increases. If you used cat 5 for gigabit ethernet at a distance of 100 meters (the standard specified distance) you would be breaking the standard, but chances are that it would probably work.

Now if you used it for a distance of only 2 meters then of course it will work! In fact you'd probably also get away with it using category 3 cable at a short distance. Try it - you'll see it does work.

Anyway, as Lob already said a standalone gigabit switch added to your existing/router switch is the cheapest way to go. They cost almost nothing these days. I would question whether many home users actually needs this kind of thing. Assuming your connection is full-duplex (which almost all are when going to a switch) you'll get approx 12Mbytes/sec on 100Mbit ethernet and 125Mbytes/sec using gigabit ethernet. Now I'd love to see you get 125MByte/sec off your hard disc! You might see a small speed increase in speed, but nothing in the orders of magnitude that might expecting. Ever wondered why there aren't many home routers running at 1000Mbit?

By the way, even though Al Gore seems to have made this terminology famous by referring to the internet as a "series of big tubes" I can assure you that there are no tubes inside your router whatsoever. Network engineers sometimes fret over what might be referred to as backplane or maximum switching bandwidth but I can assure you that even then, except in the rarest of circumstances, are such discussions ever relevant to the real world.

Remember at 100Mbit you can still copy all those pirated DIVX movies that your mate downloaded off the internet in approximately 60 seconds.
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

Yeah I am aware of "tubes" that is why I used "fatter pipes" as joke :-)

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you'll get approx 12Mbytes/sec on 100Mbit ethernet and 125Mbytes/sec using gigabit ethernet. Now I'd love to see you get 125MByte/sec off your hard disc! You might see a small speed increase in speed, but nothing in the orders of magnitude that might expecting. Ever wondered why there aren't many home routers running at 1000Mbit?
My HDs are faster than average household drives...10,000 RPM spindle speed.
Data Transfer Rate 1500 Mb/sec. How do you think that would fit into real world scenario? Plus I am not using it for movies but for work related stuff
Thanks about the cable info. Will keep it in mind when I upgrade. Must have been an old article that had the cable info.

Which make do you trust more?

ZyXEL GS-105A, Gigabit Switch, 5x 10/100/1000Mbps
3Com OfficeConnect, Gigabit Switch 5 Port 10/100/1000Base-T
Netgear GS105, 5-Port Gigabit Switch 10/100/1000Mbps
Linksys SD2005, 5 Port Gigabit Switch 10/100/1000Mbps
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

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My HDs are faster than average household drives...10,000 RPM spindle speed.
Data Transfer Rate 1500 Mb/sec. How do you think that would fit into real world scenario?
I have the same drives as you (I'm guessing) WD Raptor? However try a real world test - copy a big file from one drive to another. Did you get 1.5GB/sec? I didn't think so.

Work? Yeah right....
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCSI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA

plus factor in latency, fragmentation (causing latency), file sizes and volume type (plus how it's been formatted) plus CPU overheads (which also depend on the interface ), then getting the data into packets and out through the NIC (and of course duplicate that setup for the destination and work it backwards)......

I would be interested to see what real-world figures you get.

You might find fibre to be an option too? But certain bottlenecks will always exist.
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I have the same drives as you (I'm guessing) WD Raptor? However try a real world test - copy a big file from one drive to another. Did you get 1.5GB/sec? I didn't think so.

Work? Yeah right....
Yes the WD Raptor ( WD1500ADFD ). Yes it really is work related. I don't understand anyway what benefit gigabyte switch will have with regards to "dodgy" stuff ...the modem would still be bottle neck for external internet connection.
If you must know then it's for network rendering and I am about to add new PCs to the mix


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But certain bottlenecks will always exist.
Yes I understand what you guys are trying to say but surely it would be improvement on the normal modem router
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Re: Router with fatter pipes? 10/1000Mbs routers where?

Profile it - for network rendering cpu is likely the bottleneck. If your CPU is not maxed out but the network is, upgrade the network
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