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dannyt986 27.01.2009 16:54

DIY Home Video Surveillance
 
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So following a break in at our holiday home (luckily minor damage and loss), I've been investigating a home security system. We dont keep precious things there so there are no insurance type issues. Ive looked at the remote monitoring/alarm setup, but am tending towards the deterrent of a semi remote video system.

I'm not an IT specialist, although I've built PCs and home networks before... here's what I've come up with so far (attachment). It's not totally failsafe and redundant but should offer some degree of tamper protection and high stability thanks to the dedicated video server etc. It would be located in a hard to access loft. The power and phone lines into the house are overhead, albeit from a well lit road.

Comments much appreciated either on the setup or the overall concept vs alarm based security.

Daniel

27.01.2009 16:58

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Actually I have no first hand information on surveillance camera usage in Switzerland but have heard from others that positioning of cameras can be very tricky here as neighbors can file a formal complaint that they are being spied on. You might want to check further before making any large investments in such a system.

dannyt986 27.01.2009 17:08

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@vwild. Luckily they wouldnt overlook anyone else (a rarity in Switzerland).

@mariezug. Indeed but if the power or phone line (adsl internet) are cut that's it.. plus we only have limited upload (1000/100 max available for now) which is way too low to stream all 4 cameras, so we need a combination of local storage and some internet access (eg email warnings of events, selected footage upload etc).

D

dannyt986 27.01.2009 17:25

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Originally Posted by MarieZug (Post 389174)
A simple way would be to use a handy to send MMS/MMS when the camera detects a change. Then no telephone lines involved.

Good thought... for sure your general question is do we really need gigs of video footage or just the trigger and a few images.

I will probably buy the camera first, explore the potential and limitations. Pan and tilt are good thoughts too. Might be better to get a small number of more flexible units... does it patrol and motion detect simultaneously.

The house is an old one, and has 7 doors on the ground floor and about 10 windows all single glazed with low security blinds... they had many choices.

Daniel

drac 27.01.2009 21:38

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Hi,

I'm no security expert by any means, but I have messed around with some home surveillance stuff. I think your setup is pretty good, my only worry in such a scenario is that someone _will_ walk off with the incriminating evidence, ie your recordings.

For comparison, I've recently setup a Soekris net5501 (http://www.soekris.com) with a 100GB disk to run Linux, installed Motion (http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome) and pointed a USB camera at my living room. Motion can use both IP and USB cameras, and at a glance, can be configured to do all the things the QNAP 101 does(http://www.linux.com/feature/114118). For example, I've set mine up to only capture snapshots and movies of actual movement, then send me alerts. The better thing, though, is that you can also set it up in conjunction with a service like Amazon's S3 and have your snapshots and movies stored there (http://shapeshed.com/journal/automat...n_s3_on_linux/), thus avoiding the previously mentioned scenario. Unlike the QNAP, you also have no limit on how many cameras you can add to it, although a beefier machine than the Soekris would be needed for large numbers.

One last thing, your cameras should probably be infrared-capable, and should either incorporate an infrared light, or have a source close-by, because even if your lights go out, you want to still have an idea of what the perps looked like.

Hope this helps,

Stefan.

dannyt986 03.02.2009 22:28

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Thanks for all the input.

Ive been trialling an IR capable Vivotek dome camera and have been pretty impressed. The depth of field can a bit low, but that is the converse of having low light capability before the IR switches in. The camera itself has a pretty decent integrated server including the motion detection and event management (ie emailing, saving stills and video etc).

Hopefully tomorrow I'll receive a second external IP66 weatherproof IR camera and a QNAP 109 home NAS (which includes 2 camera recorder software). I will then be able to test the whole thing. Maybe the NAS server is superfluous, in which case I'll us it for, well, a home NAS.

Ive got it all running over an UPS, cameras powered via a Power over Ethernet enabled switch which should make wiring easy and eliminate short term mains dependence. It all talks to the internet access point via a wireless bridge. Once Ive got it all set up I'll see what the no mains power autonomy is.

I think I can get a decent amount of physical security by hiding it in a cluttered loft. The idea is really just to keep it running long enough that I get a warning and visual confirmation of unwanted guests before they "pull the plug" if they are that keen.

Daniel

03.02.2009 22:42

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Originally Posted by dannyt986 (Post 389405)
Hopefully tomorrow I'll receive a second external IP66 weatherproof IR camera and a QNAP 109 home NAS

Ironically popular items in a home burglary..

;)

jrspet 03.02.2009 22:46

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dannyt986 03.02.2009 22:48

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Thanks, but I actually want a visible deterrent, rather than an invisible one..

Wibble 04.02.2009 05:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyt986 (Post 389405)
Ive got it all running over an UPS, cameras powered via a Power over Ethernet enabled switch which should make wiring easy and eliminate short term mains dependence. It all talks to the internet access point via a wireless bridge. Once Ive got it all set up I'll see what the no mains power autonomy is.

I think I can get a decent amount of physical security by hiding it in a cluttered loft. The idea is really just to keep it running long enough that I get a warning and visual confirmation of unwanted guests before they "pull the plug" if they are that keen.

Are you going to hide the UPS with it?

The alarm will be going off if they cut the power, I wonder if this would be a good deterrent.

In terms of off line storage, you could just email anything automatically to a gmail account.

cheers,
(Mr)Wibble

dannyt986 04.02.2009 08:38

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UPS hidden... yes.

But your thought makes me think that the cameras have alarm input and outputs, so I could wire a high volume siren to the camera...

D

VaudBrit 23.02.2009 23:22

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This thread has got me thinking...

I'm hopeless technically, but equally quite averse to being ripped off by so-called experts who want to exploit my ignorance

Does anyone know of a trustworthy company who would install the kind of system being discussed here?

sailorimc 27.05.2021 08:07

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Hello
do you need special approval when you mount a surveillance camera outside, like watching the entrance door or a hidden corner of the house?
I am asking this in the context of some vandalism we encounter recently.

Thank you

irish_temptation 27.05.2021 09:03

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Originally Posted by sailorimc (Post 3310653)
Hello
do you need special approval when you mount a surveillance camera outside, like watching the entrance door or a hidden corner of the house?
I am asking this in the context of some vandalism we encounter recently.

Thank you

The answer depends on many factors.
Do you own or rent?
Is it a single family house or an aprtment in a house with others?

If renting you need to talk to the landlord and he and all the other renters need to agree.

If owning and its a single family house then its easier.
If the neighbours would be recorded as well you need their approval.

John_H 27.05.2021 09:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by irish_temptation (Post 3310667)
The answer depends on many factors.
Do you own or rent?
Is it a single family house or an aprtment in a house with others?

If renting you need to talk to the landlord and he and all the other renters need to agree.

If owning and its a single family house then its easier.
If the neighbours would be recorded as well you need their approval.

It's also important what you might do with any recordings.

You would likely be the one in more trouble if you posted a video of an intruder on facebook .. Even if the camera only points to your own private door.

You don't need a fancy system .. You can set something up in a few minutes for under 100chf .. Look at Blink by Amazon for example.

bowlie 27.05.2021 09:25

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The biggest deterrent would be a large sticker on your letter-box (or wherever) warning of Surveillance with off-site recording.

At inter-discount you can get 'fake' camera half-domes (some even with flashing lights)

You don't need to be secure, just to appear to be more secure than the neighbours.

markalex 27.05.2021 09:38

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Nobody has mentioned, but if even if you capture some masked burglars will the local police do anything about it?

I don't own property overseas, but I don't think the police in places like Italy, Spain or Portugal for that matter got so little on their plate that they give a monkey's uncle about your a burglar who breaks in and steals nothing, cause there is nothing to take. If someone breaks in, it will be a statistic.

That said as a deterrent go for it, just don't both to connect it up to the net. That way if the neighbours complain, your off the hook and you still keeping young kids off the lawn.

I would look insurance as well to make sure that vandalism is covered, I think pissed off burglars who smash the place up will be your biggest concern.

Should say that don't over do it too. Put too much security in and somebody will think there is something to take.

sailorimc 27.05.2021 09:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3310676)
The biggest deterrent would be a large sticker on your letter-box (or wherever) warning of Surveillance with off-site recording.

At inter-discount you can get 'fake' camera half-domes (some even with flashing lights)

You don't need to be secure, just to appear to be more secure than the neighbours.

Thank you for your idea.

Actually this is what i will do, buy a fake camera, no recordings and just put it there. More like a kind of warning similar to "Beware dangerous dog". :msngrin:

Landers 27.05.2021 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailorimc (Post 3310684)
Thank you for your idea.

Actually this is what i will do, buy a fake camera, no recordings and just put it there. More like a kind of warning similar to "Beware dangerous dog". :msngrin:

If it's as a deterrent i.e. very visible then neighbours might complain and you then have to reassure them it's fake.
If you want to get pictures of the culprits then a hidden camera is probably better. If the neighbours can't see it, "who's gonna know?"

You might also consider a motion activated lamp in that area.

curley 27.05.2021 13:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailorimc (Post 3310653)
Hello
do you need special approval when you mount a surveillance camera outside, like watching the entrance door or a hidden corner of the house?
I am asking this in the context of some vandalism we encounter recently.

Thank you

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