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SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

I need some help with my SkyTV / Astra2D lineup. It is my first time setting up a sattelite and I have all the equipment including a fancy digital sattelite signal strength detector and 90 cm dish. My compass sucks and is the best one I could find in Zurich - a cheap plastic one more or less where I can get accurate readings maybe within 5 degrees. I know I need to point at 28.2 degrees east of south but I can't seem to find the right sattelite - i keep getting the wrong ones. 0.X accuracy seems pretty hard to achieve without knowing fine accuracy.
As much as I enjoy arabic porn and bavarian music channels, I would really like to get my dish pointed correctly at the Astra 2D sputnik but so far no luck finding it correctly. If someone has tips or might even be able to stop by near Stadelhofen in Zurich I would most greatly appreciate it.

My other problem is the blasted SCART connector. I have 2 HD LCD TV's I brought with me from the states but when I use the SCART/S-Video adapter from MediaMarkt I get only black/white video. I set the Sattelite receiver to output SVideo and not RGB but I still get black/white.
I then bought a SCART/Component adapter only to realize SCART does RGB instead of YCbCr. This means the image is going to be black and white once again... Any tips on this? Does anyone know where I can get a good SCART/S-Video or SCART/YCbCR adapter? I don't want to wait for Sky to release their HD receiver which has the standard HD connectors that my TVs love (like YPbPr, DVI, HDMI).

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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

firstly, Nicky (birthday girl) came with a suggestion that she and her husband found useful - to use a broom handle to help with the lineup of the dish at 28e.

The output from the box (which btw you tell us nothing about, I do assume it is NOT a Sky box) could possibly be set to RGB - and you could use an s-video connection to your panels.

The Sky HD box is out btw.

Check out the link in my sig and tell more about your box.....
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

I forgot to mention - you could get fluxations using the compass on the balcony as much of the material around the balcony is.....metal
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

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firstly, Nicky (birthday girl) came with a suggestion that she and her husband found useful - to use a broom handle to help with the lineup of the dish at 28e.
It took us only one attempt with the broom handle method so its worth a try.

I was getting a bit confused when i got a Happy Birthday mail from the english forum then reaslised I had put my D.O.B in my profile! Durr

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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

1. How do you do the broomhandle method? Is the idea just take a long stick and try to eyeball the correct angle based on the compass? My compass isn't great and I don't even know where do get a better one, not that I want to spend more than 30 francs for something I'll never use again.

2. The SkyTV Digibox I have is a Pansonic (don't remember which model) and it has 2 SCART connectors on the back and RCA audio outputs as well. I feel quite SCART'd ... Anyway I bought yet another SCART-> SVideo adapter last night and it does produce some kind of color but the tints are all off somehow. My TVs correctly recognize the signal as PAL 50 Hz (25 de-interlaced) but it sure isn't pretty.
I also have a Grundig IC 3410 or something like that and it also has only 2 SCART connectors on the back.
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

Hi

We only had a cheap plastic compas, i think my husband just lined the broom handle up with the bit that sticks out (sorry know not the technical term!! ) then put the compass to the floor at the base of the broom, moved the broom to the correct angle then turned the dish to align with the angle of the broom

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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

The broomhandle laid on the floor gives you the visual direction of where you need the dish to point; using the compass next to the dish means that it'll react to the metal and .... become useless.

A compass is 19,95 in InterDiscount XXL. It would save you pulling out clumps of hair which has quickly turned grey, trust me!

For the reception; are you going to use both boxes? The Panasonic is renound for power-supply failure but the model "30" is good for fringe reception areas.

Anyway, you want to use the first Scart socket marked TV" (cunningly) and using the Sky remote, press SERVICES then 4 then 1 which will take you to video output setup. Change it to RGB and SAVE (the bottom bar) and the colours should be better.

Direction will be your main issue to overcome. There are birds up at 28.5/2, 26, 23.5 and using the internal meter in the box, you'll only know if you are in the right direction IF you get the lock (and the correct lock at that). The elevation on the dish is around 32 degrees.

Slow adjustments are KEY. You might also want to get some chalk once your direction is good so that you can make some cunning markings (as balcony-mounted dishes can be knocked and I do assume you're on a balcony).

And finally, you'll want to see how strong you're getting BBC as this will be one of the first channels to disappear in bad weather....

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BBC - Manual tuning/viewing signal and quality strength
You will have to go to the installer menu Services 4, 0, 1 Select (exactly in that order; the screen will not respond to the 0 and 1 until SELECT is pushed), then go to Manual Installation.

Frequency 10773 Horizontal, FEC = 5/6 and Symbol Rate=22.0 (using Left/Right and numeric keys)

Then go to the last line then Select, you should then get the signal meters showing you the strength of the 2D channel.
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

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2. The SkyTV Digibox I have is a Pansonic (don't remember which model) and it has 2 SCART connectors on the back and RCA audio outputs as well. I feel quite SCART'd ... Anyway I bought yet another SCART-> SVideo adapter last night and it does produce some kind of color but the tints are all off somehow. My TVs correctly recognize the signal as PAL 50 Hz (25 de-interlaced) but it sure isn't pretty.
I also have a Grundig IC 3410 or something like that and it also has only 2 SCART connectors on the back.
Just noticed this. The standard Sky digiboxes don't support s-video out of the SCART socket so that's why your SCART to s-vid is giving you trouble.

You'll need to use SCART-Composite. This won't give you the best picture quality, but at least you'll get colour. That's assuming your US sourced LCD can handle PAL which isn't certain, though if it's identifying it then it looks positive.

You can get RGB out of the SCART but hardly any US tellies support that. An alternative would be to source an RGB-Component converter box and use your component input. That should give max quality.


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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

Arg, there doesn't seem to be any reasonably priced RGB -> YCbCr converters out there. If what you say about the SKY boxes not outputting SVideo I might be screwed (tho I could have sworn the menu on this Panasonic box lets you toggle from RGB to SVideo in the config screen - with no visible difference I note). In such a case would Eschermoser probably have such a converter? MediaMarkt in Dietlikon was rather disappointing in their electronics selections.

I don't understand how the whole RGB thing ever became a standard simply because human vision perception is much more attuned to the YUV color space (luminanance and color biases) than RGB. Thank god HD technology is out and I'll hopefully be able to buy a newer Sky Box with the more universal YPbPr, DVI, or HDMI outputs. Speaking of that, do you know where I can buy a SKY Box with HD support in Switzerland?
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

the sky boxes toggle from PAL to RGB only.....Sky+ has a s-video connector but.......PAL or RGB are your options...!

what you could do is, for example, connect Scart on Sky to Scart-in on a DVD Recorder and piggy-back - but again this might not work.

Sky HD....you could try www.simplydigital.co.uk but I think the direct sale of HD boxes from Sky are in short supply.

Sky Italia just started HD too, and also look at Premiere from Germany for HD. Or go for UK FTA programming and get the Humax HD box?

Eschenmoser or Manor or Fust or InterDiscount might help - or surf through www.toppreise.ch for online shopping....
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

Yesterday, I spent almost the whole afternoon trying to understand satellites and how to get Sky TV in Switzerland. But I think I have a major problem which could prevent me from getting it. My balcony is facing due west (on the 6th floor) and we are not allowed to "attach" anything on our walls or roof (Welcome to Switzerland!). So meaning, the only possibility is to put the dish on the balcony facing due west. The coordinates of where we have to point the dish is about 28++ degrees east of south or something so this is not possible with this circumstances because the east is being blocked by our building. What can you suggest that I could do? Am I really doomed to just get Swiss TV? Changing houses is not an option. Please help me.
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

West is not good, not at all. The appartment opposite you would've been great.

But fret not - there are some options open to you like Digital TV from cablecom.

Also - how many floors are above you? What type of roof do you have?
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

We are on the last floor. We have a flat roof. I thought of putting the dish up there but I have to ask permission first and I am almost sure they would come up with a million reasons why we can't do it. I checked the cablecom digital but there are not enough english channels for my taste. I think even the movies are in German. Thanks for confirming my fears.
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

you can but try; do note though that you will have to ensure that the dish is absolutely safe from being displaced - consider fixed mount and chain, just in case - a pro installation if it happens is something I'd recommend.
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Re: Dummies Guide: Satellite install for free to air channels. No monthly fees - chea

Lob you seem to be online. Can you tell me if it's ok to plug the scart-cable from the sat-receiver into the scart socket called AV of the tv? I have two scart sockets on the tv, AV and RGB - on RGB I have my video.
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Re: Dummies Guide: Satellite install for free to air channels. No monthly fees - chea

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Lob you seem to be online. Can you tell me if it's ok to plug the scart-cable from the sat-receiver into the scart socket called AV of the tv? I have two scart sockets on the tv, AV and RGB - on RGB I have my video.
personally I'd set the Sky box to output RGB and use the scart connector to the TV in the RGB socket - and relegate the video to just scart.

Services then Picture Settings allows you to change to RGB.
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personally I'd set the Sky box to output RGB and use the scart connector to the TV in the RGB socket - and relegate the video to just scart. Services then Picture Settings allows you to change to RGB.
I don't have a sky-box, got one from MeidaMarkt. I have only one output for tv on the receiver (and a separate output for Video) At the moment I would just like to try to get the satellite running without blowing up my rather new tv. So you're saying I should plug it into RGB-tv-socket (and figure out the video stuff later)?

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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

I can confirm what Lob said - RGB is much better. I'm running scart to scart from the sky box (but it doesn't matter if it's not sky) to the TV. The TV can accept RGB input from the scart so when I went into the setup of the sky box and changed the output from PAL to RGB there was an instant improvement of the picture!

Chances are you have the inputs and outputs sitting there on both ends of your scart (tv and sat box), so it's just a matter of telling the sat box to output in RGB!
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Re: SkyTV Installation Help - Astra2D and SCART

most satellite boxes will switch output to RGB over scart. You might have to RTFM
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how to get sky installed

Hi I've moved to switzerland and i have bought my sky + box with me. In the appartment we already have a dish on the balcony, i was wondering if anybody can tell me what i have to do now to get my sky installed???
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