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Old 31.08.2009, 22:12
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A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

Ok Ive settled on Swisscom Bluewin arrrggg. Cable Television for English football ::Help:: Cheers!

Here's my latest conundrum.... my LCD has a built in HD recorder which is great, but:

1) will I be able to record digital stream from the Bluewin box using my LCD recorder?

2) if I keep the existing analogue antenna connection from Billag I should still be able to keep the analogue channel on my LCD open and therefore record analogue whilst watching digital. Yes?

3) what if I close the Billag connection and use only digital through the Bluewin box - can you watch (and therefore record using my LCD) two digital channels at the same time? This might be a pretty obvious question for those already familiar with the system. Btw I am only opting for the basic receiver - not the one with built in recorder. Trying to keep cost down relatively.

I'm just excited to get this thing in about 10 days and watch some English Premier League action - btw I did not subscribe to the teleclub package and therefore no Sports either - but apparently Bluewin are now offering pay-per game services for EPL of 2CHF per game. The girl at the store asked her supervisor - as I noticed that the advertised pay-per-view options covered most national codes except England. She confirmed that it is a new offer and is actually only 2CHF per EPL game as opposed to 2.5CHF for all the others. Yet to verified but cool huh.
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

not sure if you needed to start a new topic again... but anyway...

1) I don't see why you cannot record it. Check your LCD manual.

2) In theory yes because they are different inputs. Check your LCD manual.

3) No. You have only one input from your bluwin box to your TV so how are you supposed to record 2 different channels?

Note that you have to pay billag no matter what. Billag is the TV licence, i.e., if you have a TV or radio, you pay. However, you can try to cancel your analogue TV connection, but this not that straight forward - you would have to go through your landlord.

Better verify this on-demand EPL thing as it is not on their website. If true, then cool!
http://www.swisscom.ch/res/tv/sport/...?languageId=en
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

the pricing of 2 francs per game for EPL is absolutely fantastic. Is it short-term or is this the way it's going to be forever?

Killer price there - but given their on-demand movies are 3 francs and 6 francs, is this for good?
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Old 01.09.2009, 10:56
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not sure if you needed to start a new topic again... but anyway...

1) I don't see why you cannot record it. Check your LCD manual.

2) In theory yes because they are different inputs. Check your LCD manual.

3) No. You have only one input from your bluwin box to your TV so how are you supposed to record 2 different channels?

Note that you have to pay billag no matter what. Billag is the TV licence, i.e., if you have a TV or radio, you pay. However, you can try to cancel your analogue TV connection, but this not that straight forward - you would have to go through your landlord.

Better verify this on-demand EPL thing as it is not on their website. If true, then cool!
http://www.swisscom.ch/res/tv/sport/...?languageId=en

Yeah I know but sometimes I don't feel right high jacking someone else's thread..tho I could try to find a relevant open topic... anyho for point 3) but what about split/screen or PIP, that is simultaneous display using only one input. As for Billag my landlord is also my mother-in-law so she already rang them and its easy.... but I have opted against it so we can have two input streams A and D so I can watch one and record the other as originally intended.

The LCD manual is as thick as a bible, unfortunately it's in every language under the sun so each section is very brief. But yeah it will record anything coming into it (as long as it doesn't have copy-protection apparently).

Re PPV for the EPL, yes I was surprised at first also and got the girl to reconfirm for me, she said yes yes yes its new, and the price very agreeable. If you're interested I would give them a call to also confirm....

There are some references to it here

http://www.iptv-news.com/iptv_news/j..._on_bluewin_tv
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the pricing of 2 francs per game for EPL is absolutely fantastic. Is it short-term or is this the way it's going to be forever?

Killer price there - but given their on-demand movies are 3 francs and 6 francs, is this for good?
No idea - I'm just happy its there. I can't see the price going over 3CHF per game in the foreseeable future. Considering the Spanish, Italian and German PPV games are 2.50CHF it's a decent offer.... perhaps only introductory - I don't know. As usual - its very vague - not even 100% verified.
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

PPV for EPL at that price is outstanding, considering how much Sky used to charge (and why I never bothered). Would certainly save me 42.- a month, just to watch a couple of Liverpool games when I can't get down the pub. I didn't read closely, but I assume you can order the games online using the set-top box, and will be invoiced along with all the other Swisscom services at the end of the month?
Has it already been introduced, if not when will it?
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

your TV can do PIP because it had its own tuner to tune into 2 separate channel.

If your signal is coming from the Bluewin Box, how are you going to split the channel? I mean, let's say you have chosen BBC1 on your box, the box will send BBC1 to your TV... so how can you get the box to send ITV1 as well? The problem is that you are choosing the channel using the box and not the TV. So unless the you can can choose and send 2 separate channels into your TV at the same time, you won't have 2 separate channels. Can the swisscom box do this?

yeah, Fr.2 per game is outstanding. I mentioned before Sky.de is right now the best deal at Fr.29.90 per month. At most there will be 4 games to watch so that is about Fr.7.50 per game.
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Old 01.09.2009, 11:34
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PPV for EPL at that price is outstanding, considering how much Sky used to charge (and why I never bothered). Would certainly save me 42.- a month, just to watch a couple of Liverpool games when I can't get down the pub. I didn't read closely, but I assume you can order the games online using the set-top box, and will be invoiced along with all the other Swisscom services at the end of the month?
Has it already been introduced, if not when will it?
Now I am starting to get nervous - as I spoke to the Swisscom girl in broken English, but she reassured me the deal is good. I am going to have to call them up to confirm. But yeah its not on their internet site and I would prefer to see it in b/w (figuratively speaking) to assure myself its true.

Yes its like any PPV you order online through the remote control / screen user interface and presto. Also assume they would invoice you along with your other services, what else could they do? trust system?
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your TV can do PIP because it had its own tuner to tune into 2 separate channel.

If your signal is coming from the Bluewin Box, how are you going to split the channel? I mean, let's say you have chosen BBC1 on your box, the box will send BBC1 to your TV... so how can you get the box to send ITV1 as well? The problem is that you are choosing the channel using the box and not the TV. So unless the you can can choose and send 2 separate channels into your TV at the same time, you won't have 2 separate channels. Can the swisscom box do this?

yeah, Fr.2 per game is outstanding. I mentioned before Sky.de is right now the best deal at Fr.29.90 per month. At most there will be 4 games to watch so that is about Fr.7.50 per game.
Can the swisscom box do this? That was what I was wondering as I don't have mine yet.... I doubt that it can anyway. As I said in my other post, I am starting to doubt the validity of my claim about PPV for EPL solely because you guys are so surprised as to its value... it appears to be too good to be true, and there was scope for German/English miscommunication during my exchange with the young Swisscom lass. I will try to reconfirm today.
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

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Now I am starting to get nervous - as I spoke to the Swisscom girl in broken English, but she reassured me the deal is good. I am going to have to call them up to confirm. But yeah its not on their internet site and I would prefer to see it in b/w (figuratively speaking) to assure myself its true.

Yes its like any PPV you order online through the remote control / screen user interface and presto. Also assume they would invoice you along with your other services, what else could they do? trust system?
Try phoning their helpline, 0800 800 800. They will have plenty of people who speak good English, to avoid and miscommunication misunderstanding.
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

I am not too worried about Swisscom.

Some years ago one of their salesmen convinced me to sign up to everything they had to offer. Unfortunately, when the day came nothing worked. So a quick call revealed that my apartment is hooked up with ISDN sockets and I needed to get an electrician to come in and fix things up for a few hundred Fr.

I decided not to proceed. Swisscom promptly accepted my cancellation (even though the contract said min.12 months), and I got all my money back. So I think if you signed up on the basis that you expect to watch EPL and this is not true, I think you have a good argument to cancel it.
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Try phoning their helpline, 0800 800 800. They will have plenty of people who speak good English, to avoid and miscommunication misunderstanding.
The plot sickens - I just rang their Bluewin hotline and they could not confirm EPL PPV. So here are the facts, the sales assistant at the Swisscom shop assured me that EPL would be PPV, she in fact checked twice, there are various reports/quasi presss releases (tho admittedly not officially from Swisscom) about EPL and Swisscom offering this as a PPV service (see my earlier post for the link), the sales assistant told me the price was specifically 2CHF - ie 50 rappen less than the other live football PPVs. Its the last point that bugs me - where did she come up with this number from if no-one in Bluewin HQ knows about the offer!

I am going to get to the bottom of this (at least TRY)and let you guys know what the deal is. They also 'promised' that I could cancel the contract if it was indeed not the case.
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

So I pop back to my local Swisscom (SC) shop and whilst the same sales assistant isn't there someone else addresses my concerns. He told me that basically SC/Bluewin had lined up an agreement with the EPL to show games PPV. But there have been last minute negotiation issues so its been delayed. It was supposed to commence Aug/Sept but obviously has been pushed back. He said they even had promotional material (flyers/handouts I am assuming) in shop but had to be withdrawn.

My guess is that its in the works, but could take a few more weeks. Of course there is always the possibly that it will not happen either or at least happen but not at the 2CHF price I quoted. Anyone have anything else on this?.....
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yeah, Fr.2 per game is outstanding. I mentioned before Sky.de is right now the best deal at Fr.29.90 per month. At most there will be 4 games to watch so that is about Fr.7.50 per game.
Actually that's 4 or 5 games per week (depending on the schedule), ~4 weeks per month so about Fr. 1.85 each. Plus you get Champions League (all games) as well. Plus a bunch of other stuff you're probably not interested in!
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Re: A Conundrum (and EPL pay-per-view)

if you support only 1 team, then you won't be watching the rest of them. So maybe only 4 EPL games per month. Champions League is on ITV HD, if not HD Suisse, and FA Cup is also sometimes on ITV HD.

I watch golf too, and SKY.de has decent coverage. The only thing that is missing from the golf schedule is the Ladies PGA.
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