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It was a christmas/new year special that gave 10 chuffs back for every month you took out a contract for, 120 CHF on a 12- month or 240 CHF on a 24-month. Damn good value imo, as I don't "do" 24 month contracts. Signal has been fine as well.
Still working out ok for you? I'm kind of getting annoyed with my provider issues. I've been with Swisscom for a long time. However, they're just too expensive. I've had a short intermezzo with Sunrise - I found their coverage pretty good except for where I live :-) The funny thing is, I get almost 5 bars of coverage but I still can't browse the web where I live. Apparently, they only have one antenna to cover the whole lower part of Lake Constance - that cell is apparently massively over-crowded. Calling works fine, but no web and that's a bit of an issue for me. I ended up canceling the contract (to the tune of a 270 Fr. early termination fine).

I had already gotten used to the all-inclusive Sunrise package, so now I'm on Swisscom's Natel Be Free. The last bill, however, has left me shocked - I paid 188 Fr. for the sucker. I had to find out that apparently they have taken down a cell tower near my home - now every time I drive home, my cell-phone switches to some German network and the 9 Fr. European roaming option kicks in. If I set the network selection on manual, I lose the internet connection every time the phone switches from EDGE to 3G. In addition, I have a second SIM-card that I used for my Blackberry - don't have the BB anymore but Swisscom won't let me cancel the 2nd card. So my costs are: 169 for the Be Free, 10 Fr. for the 2nd SIM-card and 9 Fr. for the roaming option. I just can't justify these costs and my wife is about to kill me over that. I'm a fairly heavy user (data mainly, some SMS but also a lot of voice lately) so choosing a cheaper subscription from Swisscom doesn't really cut it, either.

Anyway, Swisscom and Sunrise are no option because of coverage issues where I live, Orange is no option because they don't have 3G where I live (and no EDGE). So what the heck am I going to do now?

My requirements are:

- included SMS (100 are enough)
- data included (at least 1gb)
- voice to ALL networks (wife uses Swisscom, brother uses Orange, parents use Sunrise :-) either included or very cheap
- competitive international calls and data (Sunrise charges 9 Fr. per month for the data option but will still make you shed over 4 Fr. per MB of data used and they bill in 100kb increments, meaning 10 e-mails will cost me 4 Fr. + 9 Fr. monthly = not acceptable).
- I live on the lower part of Lake Constance but work in Basel. I'm home 4 days a week (work from home some of the time) and commute the rest of the time. I need internet on the train.

My problems:

- Swisscom = (way) too expensive + coverage where I live has recently started to suck (no, it's not my phone - my wife is seeing the same thing)
- Sunrise = international data way too expensive, coverage is better than Swisscom but I can't use data at home because the cell I'm in is over-crowded. I guess I could use WiFi for the latter
- Orange = no 3G where I live, spotty 3G coverage on the train ride. At least they have a semi-decent intl. data plan (4 Fr. per day for 2mb + 2 Fr. for additional MB, billed in 30kb increments).


I'm screwed, right?

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Re: Swisscom vs Orange vs Sunrise signal strength... opinions please.

I've got Sunrise since about 2 and a half years and I gotta say it has always been great, the coverage and everything has been great, I never had a problem with them, and even the price ain't that bad actually.
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Re: Swisscom vs Orange vs Sunrise signal strength... opinions please.

I have swisscom on my phone and my daughter has orange. She always seems to have very good signal strength in the Lausanne/Riviera area. When we travel so far sometimes one is better than the other but on balance they are even. Orange seems to continue to improve with additional stations, satellites etc... I'd go with the one that doesn't lock you in for 24 months (this type of contract seems to be a hold over from the days when Swisscom had more of a monopoly.)
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Old 27.06.2010, 16:55
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- Swisscom = (way) too expensive + coverage where I live has recently started to suck (no, it's not my phone - my wife is seeing the same thing)
Alot of operators, like AT&T in the US have started introducing "home femtocells", I think it's only a matter of time until the Swiss operators do the same. SO if you coverage at home is poor, but everything else is OK, then maybe hold out a little. As for Swisscoms prices, well, yea, Sunrise keeps driving the prices down, and if Swisscom doesn't keep in step, they'll lose customers.

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I have swisscom on my phone and my daughter has orange. She always seems to have very good signal strength in the Lausanne/Riviera area. When we travel so far sometimes one is better than the other but on balance they are even. Orange seems to continue to improve with additional stations, satellites etc... I'd go with the one that doesn't lock you in for 24 months (this type of contract seems to be a hold over from the days when Swisscom had more of a monopoly.)
Orange is a French company (owned by France Telecom), and they tend to focus heavily on the French part of Switzerland, so good coverage in lausanne doesn't suprise me (just make sure your phone says "Orange CH" tho and not "Orange F", otherwise your on the French network!!).

Actually, I've been to Lausanne many times with my Swisscom abo, and no problems at all. With Sunrise tho, I was making a call at Lausanne main train station and realized I was roaming on a French network (!!) so I guess their coverage isn't too great there...at least in my experience.
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Old 28.06.2010, 09:45
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Actually, I've been to Lausanne many times with my Swisscom abo, and no problems at all. With Sunrise tho, I was making a call at Lausanne main train station and realized I was roaming on a French network (!!) so I guess their coverage isn't too great there...at least in my experience.
I think it's safe to say that if you live near the border, you'll get your fair share of roaming experiences no matter what provider you use. I'm still with Swisscom (for another 2 weeks, that is - I canceled my contract as a precaution) and my phone switches to German networks all the time. It's quite a pain, really.

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and my phone switches to German networks all the time. It's quite a pain, really.
Actually, after my "French roaming at the Lausanne bahnhof" experience, I switch my phones network selection to "Manual" now, so that I remain always on the Sunrise network. If you keep switching to a German network, then maybe a good idea to do the same.
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Actually, after my "French roaming at the Lausanne bahnhof" experience, I switch my phones network selection to "Manual" now, so that I remain always on the Sunrise network. If you keep switching to a German network, then maybe a good idea to do the same.
I tried that - the problem is, however: if I do that, both my phones (iPhone + Nexus One) start losing their network connection whenever there's a switch from 3G to EDGE and vice versa - so this isn't an option for me.
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So... can anyone please comment on the signal strength of Orange vs Swisscom? Also of interest would be Sunrise, but more for curiousity's sake.
Everything that I have seen and heard indicates that Orange in less expensive but that Swisscom has better tower distribution. In the outlying areas you will have slightly better service if you are a Swisscom user. OTOH, I have had almost no problems with my Orange contract on my jailbroken 1st Gen iPhone, over the past year. So, your mileage may vary, but if you are in the main parts of CH you won't notice the difference.
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Everything that I have seen and heard indicates that Orange in less expensive but that Swisscom has better tower distribution.
I have to disagree - Orange is at least as expensive as Swisscom and has the worst network of all three providers in Switzerland. If you want to go cheap and good (in terms of network quality and coverage), go Sunrise. If you prefer getting a (much) better customer service but are willing to pay 50-60% more for the same network service quality, go Swisscom.

TBH, I'm not sure who would still choose Orange at this time (now that the iPhone 4 will be available from Sunrise as well). They don't have EDGE, charge a lot and have lousy customer service. I really hope Orange speeds up their network enhancement plans and that the revolution in plan pricing really will be a revolution. Otherwise I think things will turn dire for them.
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I have to disagree - Orange is at least as expensive as Swisscom and has the worst network of all three providers in Switzerland. If you want to go cheap and good (in terms of network quality and coverage), go Sunrise. If you prefer getting a (much) better customer service but are willing to pay 50-60% more for the same network service quality, go Swisscom.

TBH, I'm not sure who would still choose Orange at this time (now that the iPhone 4 will be available from Sunrise as well). They don't have EDGE, charge a lot and have lousy customer service. I really hope Orange speeds up their network enhancement plans and that the revolution in plan pricing really will be a revolution. Otherwise I think things will turn dire for them.
Fine, but when I was looking at contracts for the iphone that I already owned, I found that Swisscom was 50% or more expensive for the same or less service than Orange. As I said, YMMV, and I am just reporting my actual experiences, not anyone elses.

The reason I didn't use Sunrise, is that with already owning my device it wasn't a "real" savings for the service I would have gotten. Also, I have a wife who is on an Orange corporate account and I can talk with her for free on Orange. I get three numbers that are unlimited Orange to Orange or other fixed line.

I agree that the lack of EDGE on Orange sucks big time, but I can't imagine many people are still using the original iPhone which doesn't have 3G. (I must be a masochist.)

Oh, and I have had a few conversations with Orange and have never had problems with their customer service. Of course, I have also had plenty of conversations with Swisscom Fixed and DSL and always come away with my problems solved to my complete satisfaction as well. These customer service conversations usually include me getting refunds or rebates for overage and late charges, which are sometimes due to my errors, so I am exceptionally happy with my dealings with both companies. (assuming Swisscom wireless = fixed & DSL)
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I have to disagree - Orange is at least as expensive as Swisscom
No its not... SMS are half price, calls are cheaper, and the monthly tarrifs and cost of ownership less.
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No its not... SMS are half price, calls are cheaper, and the monthly tarrifs and cost of ownership less.
I guess it's a question of how much you use your phone. Swisscom's cheapest iPhone tariff is 25 Fr. a month. Orange's cheapest iPhone tariff is 49 Fr. per month. Yes, I get 1gb of data with that (which I can't use, because there's absolutely no 3G coverage anywhere here with Orange) - but my wife, who's on Swisscom, never uses more than 100mb per month. So why pay more for it? Calls cost a crapload more on Orange. Swisscom charges you somewhere between 50 and 70 Rp per HOUR. Orange charges the same per minute. Yes, I get to call 3 numbers for free on Orange, but the other 15 or so I call regularly cost massively more as on Swisscom for my typical calls of 5-10 minutes.

We've stopped using SMS a long time ago as everyone I know either has an iPhone or a Blackberry - push e-mail is included in the monthly data allowance.

So, for some Orange is cheaper, for others it's Swisscom. On average, they cost about the same with Orange having a crappy network.
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Re: Swisscom vs Orange vs Sunrise signal strength... opinions please.

I found this article which was done last November:
http://www.connect.de/themen_spezial...z_6114212.html

They test out the data speeds of each provider.

Their conclusion was in Cities Sunrise was almost as good as Swisscom. Sunrise even had a faster upload speed. In rural areas Swisscom had a bigger lead on Sunrise but Orange was rubbish every where compared to the other 2.
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I guess it's a question of how much you use your phone. Swisscom's cheapest iPhone tariff is 25 Fr. a month. Orange's cheapest iPhone tariff is 49 Fr. per month. Yes, I get 1gb of data with that (which I can't use, because there's absolutely no 3G coverage anywhere here with Orange) - but my wife, who's on Swisscom, never uses more than 100mb per month. So why pay more for it? Calls cost a crapload more on Orange. Swisscom charges you somewhere between 50 and 70 Rp per HOUR. Orange charges the same per minute. Yes, I get to call 3 numbers for free on Orange, but the other 15 or so I call regularly cost massively more as on Swisscom for my typical calls of 5-10 minutes.

We've stopped using SMS a long time ago as everyone I know either has an iPhone or a Blackberry - push e-mail is included in the monthly data allowance.

So, for some Orange is cheaper, for others it's Swisscom. On average, they cost about the same with Orange having a crappy network.
Exactly, so you can't make a blanket statement. For my uses its miles cheaper than Swisscom was.
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I guess it's a question of how much you use your phone. Swisscom's cheapest iPhone tariff is 25 Fr. a month. Orange's cheapest iPhone tariff is 49 Fr. per month. Yes, I get 1gb of data with that (which I can't use, because there's absolutely no 3G coverage anywhere here with Orange) - but my wife, who's on Swisscom, never uses more than 100mb per month. So why pay more for it? Calls cost a crapload more on Orange. Swisscom charges you somewhere between 50 and 70 Rp per HOUR. Orange charges the same per minute. Yes, I get to call 3 numbers for free on Orange, but the other 15 or so I call regularly cost massively more as on Swisscom for my typical calls of 5-10 minutes.

We've stopped using SMS a long time ago as everyone I know either has an iPhone or a Blackberry - push e-mail is included in the monthly data allowance.

So, for some Orange is cheaper, for others it's Swisscom. On average, they cost about the same with Orange having a crappy network.
Those per hour/per minute tariff rates are for in network calls for the Swisscom rate and out of network calls for the Orange rates. You are comparing Oranges to Apples, um Swisscoms. But, seriously, if you are interested in calling users in the Swisscom network then, yes you would be much better off using Swisscom. No contest. However, the highest rate I see, actually looking at Oranges website is 45rp/min for out of network calls. Plus, I don't know how Swisscom works but I can call the USA and quite a few other countries from within Switzerland at the same rate as out of network local calls.

As far as your comment regarding Orange's lack of 3G, I am at a loss. Orange's network is mostly 3G, by their own admission. They have 2G and 3G, but unfortunately for me what they lack is coverage for EDGE users. I was told by the Orange rep that I spoke with that Swisscom has EDGE and would in many cases be a better option for 1st Gen iPhone owners. But this isn't a problem for most people, so I am given to understand, as EDGE isn't that common in Europe being mostly an American standard. This is one of the reasons that the first iPhone didn't sell in Japan, for example, the first Gen iPhone was 2G + EDGE. BTW, I have never the Block E that indicates EDGE network enhancement on my iPhone in this country.

All of this stuff aside, I still chose Orange due to the other factors that made Orange a better deal for me due to cost incurred because of in and out of network tariff differences.
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I tried that - the problem is, however: if I do that, both my phones (iPhone + Nexus One) start losing their network connection whenever there's a switch from 3G to EDGE and vice versa - so this isn't an option for me.
Apple and HTC don't know how to make phones ...what about your Milestone? Motorola should know their RF
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so I am given to understand, as EDGE isn't that common in Europe being mostly an American standard. This is one of the reasons that the first iPhone didn't sell in Japan, for example, the first Gen iPhone was 2G + EDGE.
EDGE is an extenion of the GSM (3GPP) standard, which originated in France

http://www.gsmworld.com/about-us/history.htm

EDGE doesn't work in Japan because it's a 2G standard, and Japan junked all 2G networks years ago. They're years ahead of US/EU.
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Re: Swisscom vs Orange vs Sunrise signal strength... opinions please.

It's possible to say whatever about Swisscom (too expensive, not flexible, etc) and it will be the truth very likely. But it is a fact that the quality they provide is the best in Switzerland. I have many friends using Salt (Orange). Yes, it's less expensive but the quality is not that good. Swisscom quality is incomparable indeed. I would like to save some money but finally took a decision in favour of connection quality.
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