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A good review for the htc hd2:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...view?artc_pg=4

Let's see if its good!
Really haven't heard much good about the HD2 - apparently, the ROMs aren't ready for prime-time yet. The phone frequently crashes and is sluggish at times. Above all, HTC STILL hasn't fixed the MP3 crash-bug in the media player. The HD2 seems to crash regularly once the media library fills.

Here's a discussion on some of the issues:

http://www.pocketpc.ch/htc-hd2/68330...fikfehler.html

also the speaker seems to suck big time, SMS will wake up the device and then drain the battery etc. All in all it's just more of the same total mess Windows Mobile has been for years. Definitely not worth the (my) money.

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Re: New phone coming out... the Motorola Droid

Well, I appreciate your fair reviews...
I think any devices can't be perfect. In particular the speaker is not a big deal, I don't intend to play some music loud in the public transports

Yes Windows Mobile su.cks but apparently the HTC overlayer is quite good (or not too bad), and this "should" be compatible with WMobile 7 (provided it is released in the next 6 months, and that its actually much better).

Im quite sure they'll be custom firmwares to install android anyway, if I see that the Motorolla Milestone has same CPU but turns on Android 2.0.

For the rest its new it will have a few BUGS and poor firmware, it has been the case with my Linksys Cisco Wrt610N wireless router, they took1 year to finally have decent firmwares. Buffalo new router has well had poor firmware, but in 1 year they have corrected nothing, thats why I dumped them forever. Let's see how HTC are reactive with it?!!

Anyway not the choice is:
Xperia 10 (not released)
Motorolla Milestone (not released)
Nokia N900 (not released)
HTC HD2 (released in week 48 in Swiss, released everywhere else)

so... Go HTC HD2
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Anyway not the choice is:
Xperia 10 (not released)
Motorolla Milestone (not released)
Nokia N900 (not released)
HTC HD2 (released in week 48 in Swiss, released everywhere else)

so... Go HTC HD2
Motorola Milestone: released in Germany, on Digitec in week 48 (according to their customer service). So... go Milestone!!! :-)
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Re: New phone coming out... the Motorola Droid

I've had the Milestone since last Thursday, so here's a review made up of the pros and cons:


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- Display + Screen Size: incredible display with great colors and very high resolution. Excellent screen size - not too small (like the Hero's), not too big (like the HD2's). Compared to this, the iPhone's screen looks fugly (fonts don't look smooth, especially apparent when looking at websites - but hey, this is going to be the only "next big feature" in the upcoming iPhone 4, and Apple will claim they invented it - so Apple users, be patient!)

- Speed: it's very fast unless you clutter it up with heavy background apps. As long as you remember to quit Tunewiki when you're done listening to music, it's as fast as the iPhone 3GS (but hey, that's why the iPhone won't run more than one app at a time). Having a plethora of smaller apps in the memory surprisingly doesn't slow down the phone at all. I have no need for a task killer at this time - which is a great improvement for Android. All of this isn't surprising, as the Milestone has the same processor as the iPhone.

- Browser: Extremely great. Over WiFi, it loads (even complex) websites faster than the iPhone, over EDGE it's a bit slower, over 3G it's the same. pinch-to-zoom works flawlessly. Overall I'd say it's a tad slower than the iPhone 3GS' browser but you only notice if you run the two side by side. On the other hand, it has visual bookmarks, has better page rendering (due to the higher screen resolution) and the extra screen real-estate really makes a difference when reading texts in the browser.

- UI: I've never liked the iPhone's "teletubby" menus, as I have stated before numerous times. I've always felt somewhat restricted by the overly simplified menu system and general lack of customizability. The Milestone has a more grown-up feel to it but may seem a bit "puritan" to someone coming from Mac OS or the iPhone OS. It's usability is great, though - because of the widget system, every-day tasks like enabling and disabling WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, data syncing etc. are extremely quick compared to the iPhone, where each of those has to be looked for somewhere in the preferences menu.

- Build, Look & Feel: Built very solidly. It's a tad on the heavy side - but then, this one's for grown-ups. The phone overall looks less "female" to me (if there's such a thing in phones) than the iPhone. It has an edged look to it. No rounded corners. It looks a bit like an iPhone that hasn't shaved for three days. I absolutely love it.

- Marketplace: well, it's love it or hate it here. It's an undeniable fact that Android doesn't have the same number of apps as the iPhone right now - but the Marketplace sure as heck covers the essentials both for paid and free apps. No issues here - the market looks great to me and while it's different from Apple's app store, I fail to see what some of the reviewers don't like about it.

- Multimedia features: I put these in the Pros although apparently there are a lot of people who have issues with these on Android. I don't spend a lot of time in these apps. I look for an album and hit "play", that's it. Never saw the appeal of enforcing real-life album-flipping on an electronic screen in the first place. The Milestone will play your music quickly and without a problem. It'll play your videos and it'll play Youtube content - that's what counts for me. The whole system is as "puritan" as the menus - but I really like it that way.


Cons:

- hardware keyboard: I know this has not been getting a lot of love from the reviewers. While it's really not great, it's not that bad, either. It kinda grows on you. It's great to have it once in a while if you need more screen real-estate. I prefer the virtual keyboard (replaced it with an app called "better keyboard" because the latter will allow me to more easily switch the input language between German and English). The device is so thin that having the QWERTZ keyboard at least doesn't make it awkward to type on the virtual one. It's more of a bonus to satisfy those coming from a Blackberry or a Motorola Q.

- Changing the keyboard language is much better solved on the iPhone and outright sucks on Android.

- flicking through the three screens can seem to be ever so slightly laggy. But to be honest, it believe it only looks that way because of the somewhat less-than-perfect animation.

- only three screens are available for customization. Having used the HTC Hero before, I have to say that three screens aren't enough. I can live with them, but I'd love to have more.


Neutral:

- the battery life. With push, 3G and / or Wifi enabled, it'll only last a day. That sucks. But that's still 4-5 hours longer than my iPhone 3GS which I always have to charge twice a day, burning through the recharge-cycles at an alarmingly high rate (which is super, since the iPhone 3GS won't allow me to a) carry a second battery and b) exchange the battery myself once it's toast).

- the camera: it's not super great (I'm told there are better cams in some Nokias) but it's not really bad either. It doesn't have the focus issue. Mine has a visible purple tint, though, in the middle of the picture which seems to be a manufacturing defect. It's hard to spot, so I really can't blame QC for letting that slip through (although I probably should) - but as a part-time photographer, it bothers me. But then again: as a photographer, I don't use cell-phones to take pictures anyway - that's why I won't get the phone repaired (and risk a lengthy wait) over this.


Outside the evaluation (because it's a bug and hopefully will be fixed in the next upgrade):

- The Milestone has a rather nasty software bug (no idea how Motorola could have overlooked that one): when you disable the airplane mode, the phone stops working in GSM mode and will only find 3G / UMTS networks until you reboot it. Needless to say - where I live, I can only get German 3G networks, which is a bit annoying. Apart from that, the phone's surprisingly bug-free for a first release.

- the micro-USB cable they provided with the phone is too short


Conclusion: it's the phone that I will FINALLY sell my iPhone for. For me, it just beats the iPhone in almost every category and it fills my heart with great joy that I can finally show the finger to the Great Dictator that Apple has become in the cell-phone world without having to feel iPhone-envy anymore.
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Thanks for the review, one thing tho that is essential for me, does it tether? preferrably through bluetooth or wifi?

btw, where did you get it? digitec are still saying late November
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- the camera: it's not super great (I'm told there are better cams in some Nokias) but it's not really bad either. It doesn't have the focus issue.
It will do (have the focus issue) in about 20 days, unless there's an OTA fix in the interim.
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Dudeeeeeeee... you took the plunge.

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Awesome, awesome news... i'm really happy now to read that!

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- hardware keyboard: I know this has not been getting a lot of love from the reviewers. While it's really not great, it's not that bad, either. It kinda grows on you. It's great to have it once in a while if you need more screen real-estate. I prefer the virtual keyboard (replaced it with an app called "better keyboard" because the latter will allow me to more easily switch the input language between German and English). The device is so thin that having the QWERTZ keyboard at least doesn't make it awkward to type on the virtual one. It's more of a bonus to satisfy those coming from a Blackberry or a Motorola Q.
I started a big thread about this over at Android forums (make sure zyou join, it ihas a busy Droid section)... http://androidforums.com/motorola-dr...od-thread.html

General concensus is that it gets MUCH better over time.

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- only three screens are available for customization. Having used the HTC Hero before, I have to say that three screens aren't enough. I can live with them, but I'd love to have more.
You can download homescreen that change this, here's one, GDE cube app, remove the cube effects (laggy) and it seems to be awesome: http://androidforums.com/motorola-dr...e-amazing.html

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- the battery life. With push, 3G and / or Wifi enabled, it'll only last a day. That sucks. But that's still 4-5 hours longer than my iPhone 3GS which I always have to charge twice a day, burning through the recharge-cycles at an alarmingly high rate (which is super, since the iPhone 3GS won't allow me to a) carry a second battery and b) exchange the battery myself once it's toast).
Meh a day is normal nowadays... I can live with that.

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- the camera: it's not super great (I'm told there are better cams in some Nokias) but it's not really bad either. It doesn't have the focus issue. Mine has a visible purple tint, though, in the middle of the picture which seems to be a manufacturing defect. It's hard to spot, so I really can't blame QC for letting that slip through (although I probably should) - but as a part-time photographer, it bothers me. But then again: as a photographer, I don't use cell-phones to take pictures anyway - that's why I won't get the phone repaired (and risk a lengthy wait) over this.
Hmm i'd be annoyed if I had a defect personally, but if it doesn't bother you then fine. I read that the camera focussing issues are wholly software related and this was revealed during a timestamp bug http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/m...ed-in-secrecy/

What's the video recording like on top quality though?

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it's the phone that I will FINALLY sell my iPhone for. For me, it just beats the iPhone in almost every category and it fills my heart with great joy that I can finally show the finger to the Great Dictator that Apple has become in the cell-phone world without having to feel iPhone-envy anymore.
Very nice to hear. Where did you buy it and how much?

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Thanks for the review, one thing tho that is essential for me, does it tether? preferrably through bluetooth or wifi?

btw, where did you get it? digitec are still saying late November
I'm posting this over a Bluetooth DUN connection to the Milestone - so yes, tethering is definitely a go. Just grab yourself an app called "PDAnet" from the Market and connect to it. I tried this using Windows 7 - works like a charm. PDAnet comes as a 30-day trial version. After 30 days, only HTTP connections will work (ok for web browsing). The full version is 29$

I bought the Milestone at an O2 shop in Germany (live right next to the border) for 481€ + Swiss tax (I was honest and declared it). Digitec is cheaper I think - but I figured it's easier for me to get support directly from O2, should the device break in the future.

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Re: New phone coming out... the Motorola Droid

Did you got the Droid from Switzerland???



Can't find those new phones from "orange, sunrise, or swisscom".
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I bought the Milestone at an O2 shop in Germany (live right next to the border) for 481 + Swiss tax (I was honest and declared it).
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I just replied to the first posts, by reading order... Haven't notice the latests ones

I think they should be out though in Switzerland!? it's this week they should have been released (both HTC HD2 and Motorola Milestone)
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I just replied to the first posts, by reading order... Haven't notice the latests ones

I think they should be out though in Switzerland!? it's this week they should have been released (both HTC HD2 and Motorola Milestone)
While the HTC HD2 is / should be officially available in Switzerland, the Motorola Milestone probably won't be. That's because Motorola has left the building, so to speak: they closed their Swiss website and stopped trading phones in Switzerland. The only way to get the Milestone is by either importing one yourself or have someone (like digitec) import one for you.

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I got update from the professional person working with SwissCom:
HTC HD 2 will be announced / available, early december with SwissCom.

3 weeks late!
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Re: New phone coming out... the Motorola Droid

quick info (*): Digitec should get the first delivery of Milestones tomorrow morning. As of now, they have ordered 80 pieces and received 54 pre-orders, so there are some left, should you want yours before the weekend :-)

Peter


*) I don't work for digitec (I don't actually even like them very much), but anywho - the info was posted by a digitec employee in their forum.
Apparently, they should have received the Milestones today, but the truck carrying them is stuck in traffic (literally: http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0...tml#ref=rss%29.)
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Re: New phone coming out... the Motorola Droid

This is probably the most tempted I've been since I swapped my venerable N95 for an iPhone. The only thing which is keeping me cautious is the fact that I actually prefer the form factor of a non-keyboard smartphone. From what Dawiz wrote, the on-screen keyboard is quite usable so it would definitely be a little slimmer/lighter if it were simply ommited. I hope Motorola make a non-keyboard version (in time for my June 2010 upgrade ). I much prefer Motorola build quality and engineering to the ubiquitous HTC devices.
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From what Dawiz wrote, the on-screen keyboard is quite usable so it would definitely be a little slimmer/lighter if it were simply ommited. I hope Motorola make a non-keyboard version (in time for my June 2010 upgrade ). I much prefer Motorola build quality and engineering to the ubiquitous HTC devices.
The phone feels heavier than the iPhone - but after a couple of days of usage, I actually prefer its weight. With the iPhone, I constantly thought I'd drop it. The Milestone somehow feels better to hold.

The physical keyboard is unnecessary, in my opinion. And you're right - I'm sure the phone would have been lighter without it. However, it doesn't make the phone uncomfortably thick. After a couple of days, you forget it even has a physical keyboard if you don't use it.

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I've had the Milestone since last Thursday, so here's a review made up of the pros and cons:
Thanks Peter

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- Display + Screen Size: incredible display with great colors and very high resolution. Excellent screen size - not too small (like the Hero's), not too big (like the HD2's).
How can a larger screen be a "Con"? I think you're just jealous

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- the battery life. With push, 3G and / or Wifi enabled, it'll only last a day. That sucks.
Just out of interest, does anyone still take the manufacturer's advice any more of fully charging the phone for 10 hours or whatever it is? When I get a new phone and get it home I''m like a little kid on Christmas morning.

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The physical keyboard is unnecessary, in my opinion. And you're right - I'm sure the phone would have been lighter without it. However, it doesn't make the phone uncomfortably thick. After a couple of days, you forget it even has a physical keyboard if you don't use it.
I agree, physical keyboards are a bit of a throwback these days in my opinion.

Talking of input and screens, I got my HTC HD phone out last night and used the stylus to type and the HTC Hero owner on the other side of the table said, "A stylus, how old school." Quite funny, I think the stylus is still useful for keyboard input / drawing / scribbling maps. pictures etc, but would it be useful with the Milestone's capacative screen or a finger tips adequate?

I am going to wait for the Nokia N900......I think.
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I much prefer Motorola build quality and engineering to the ubiquitous HTC devices.
well its more a "come back" rather than a regular quality..(motorola)
But review are good with this new phone---

I personnaly dont like its look, I much prefer the SonyErickson Xperia 10... Then the Nokia 900 or the HTC HD2...

Droid looks too...simple, roundish...
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How can a larger screen be a "Con"? I think you're just jealous

Just out of interest, does anyone still take the manufacturer's advice any more of fully charging the phone for 10 hours or whatever it is? When I get a new phone and get it home I''m like a little kid on Christmas morning.
seriously - I've played with the HD2 at Mediamarkt in Konstanz and found the display too big. The whole device has an odd shape - it's very thin but at the same time it's too big to hold comfortably. Apart from that - after playing with it for a couple of minutes, I was (again) convinced that Windows Mobile is a piece of crap.

Nope, I don't really do the "charge for 16 hours" thing - I'm not sure whether this is still necessary for lithium ion batteries?

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Nope, I don't really do the "charge for 16 hours" thing - I'm not sure whether this is still necessary for lithium ion batteries?

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It is! unless DELL told me bullocks... my Lithion battery came with specific instructions of charging it over 12 hours the first time, while not using the laptop, at all.

This is because it will lower the maximum capacity of the battery...

Apparently you also need to completely uncharge it, then full recharge 2-3 times.

Then it says you need to avoid leaving it going lower than 20% full capacity, although its different info ???
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