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Old 19.11.2009, 11:26
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Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

Okay I know in a few countries (eg France, UK) they are making moves to prevent people downloading MP3s by doing things like sending warnings, cutting internet speed, etc...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4785288.stm

Does anyone know the laws for Switzerland? If I download MP3s will I get in trouble, have my internet slowed/cut off?

I don't mean to create a piracy factory in my room, its just that some music I can't find anywhere. Its for personal use, see? So anyone know about the Swiss laws in this regard?
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Old 19.11.2009, 11:35
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

Uploading is illegal. Downloading is not.
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

have you searched?

Basically, if you download for personal consumption, it seems the Swiss will not come after you (right now).

If you upload (which by the nature of torrents, you are very likely to be doing) then you're in the line of fire (and question then is it upload 100% of the content or simply anything).

If you burn your downloaded movies and MP3s to DVD or CD and sell them, don't drop the soap.
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Old 19.11.2009, 12:01
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

We had a nice discussion sometime back in EF regarding this ... lemme dig them out for you ..
here and here

My mate says that he has not heard first-hand from anyone about policing downloading habits in Switzerland.. but my mate has a lawyer mate who uses torrent technology extensively and thinks the law is only against seeding (uploading) from a full 100% file...can someone throw light on this?
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We had a nice discussion sometime back in EF regarding this ... lemme dig them out for you ..
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My mate says that he has not heard first-hand from anyone about policing downloading habits in Switzerland.. but my mate has a lawyer mate who uses torrent technology extensively and thinks the law is only against seeding (uploading) from a full 100% file...can someone throw light on this?
You're meaning being the INITIAL seeder of a torrent that is copyrighted?
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Old 19.11.2009, 12:13
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Your mate's mate's meaning being the INITIAL seeder of a torrent that is copyrighted?
corrected that for you...

No, not only the initial seeder, but he meant once you've downloaded 100% and become a seeder that is grey area and you start potentially playing with illegal internet usage. But well .. as I said I am not sure, someone with a law degree might be a better person to confirm such a logic!
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Old 19.11.2009, 14:22
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

While slightly more old-school, Usenet often has the same files available as many torrent sites, and is of course download only...
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Old 19.11.2009, 14:39
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corrected that for you...

No, not only the initial seeder, but he meant once you've downloaded 100% and become a seeder that is grey area and you start potentially playing with illegal internet usage. But well .. as I said I am not sure, someone with a law degree might be a better person to confirm such a logic!
So what is the score if you are using a VPN - your IP is not in Switzerland, but somewhere else....

Theory says that uploading cannot be traced back to a Swiss IP, as you are tunneliing through a different country IP address.....

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Old 19.11.2009, 14:40
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

Seriously, why would anyone use torrents (and therefore adopt the inherent uploading risk) when you can download anything you like, much faster, from sites such as Rapidshare?
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Old 19.11.2009, 14:42
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Seriously, why would anyone use torrents (and therefore adopt the inherent uploading risk) when you can download anything you like, much faster, from sites such as Rapidshare?
Er, depends on the content, and Torrents are free.....
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

Well, I'm happy to pay €6 a month to avoid wasting huge chunks of my life waiting for a torrent.

Each to his own.
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Er, depends on the content, and Torrents are free.....
And most programs allow you to adjust the upload rate (ie, from, for example, 40kbps to 0kbps)
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And most programs allow you to adjust the upload rate (ie, from, for example, 40kbps to 0kbps)
Correct, but I know a friend of mine who likes to maintain a good ratio for a particular site. He just likes to be polite, and give back what he has rec'd - that's all.
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Correct, but I know a friend of mine who likes to maintain a good ratio for a particular site. He just likes to be polite, and give back what he has rec'd - that's all.
what - rather than be cut off for not being nice with his ratio, for example.

my mate might just be the same person as your mate
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what - rather than be cut off for not being nice with his ratio, for example.

my mate might just be the same person as your mate
.... with so many mates floating around ... I am sure, we all have common mates!
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

Lobd - never quite understood how the Rapidshare thing works. Could you throw any light on this for me at all? Many thanks!
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

My mate uses a combination of torrents and usenet. He likes torrent sites for the fact that he can usually tell by the number of seeders and the comments whether a file is good or not. Usenet on the other hand allows him to max out his cablecom connection at 1.5MB/s, but much of the time its hit n miss until he opens up the file.

Do you think I should stop being mates with my mate, I don't want any trouble
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My mate uses a combination of torrents and usenet. He likes torrent sites for the fact that he can usually tell by the number of seeders and the comments whether a file is good or not. Usenet on the other hand allows him to max out his cablecom connection at 1.5MB/s, but much of the time its hit n miss until he opens up the file.

Do you think I should stop being mates with my mate, I don't want any trouble
Good mates are hard to fin d - I am sure that you will continue to be friends fro a very long time.
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Old 20.11.2009, 07:07
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Well, I'm happy to pay €6 a month to avoid wasting huge chunks of my life waiting for a torrent....
Have you considered leaving the torrent to download while you're asleep, at work. You don't have to sit by the computer you know...
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Re: Swiss laws regarding downloading??!

My friend a member of EF is scared and asked me to ask you if his taking part in downloading related discussions would result in him being tracked down in Switzerland? He wants to know if this site passes identifiable information to anyone on commission basis? If the answer is no then I will tell my friend to continue discussing on this forum and he might even pass some tips via me. If your answer is yes then I will tell my friend to stop doing bad things like downloading illegal content as good boys don't do such things
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