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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

I watch tons of TV on the Swiss channels (TSR 1 and 2, in Suisse Romande), as they have loads of imported American shows like Grey's Anatomy, Dr House, etc, all of which are dual-language streamed so I can watch them in English. There's a great one just started on TSR1, Journeyman, about a guy who keeps inadvertently travelling through time to fix things, like a modern Quantum Leap. And sometimes I watch something a bit more Swiss, about mountains or cheese or somesuch, as it's educational for my French.

By the time I've added up the cost of buying box sets and paying for more language tuition, I feel a little happier about the Billag.

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Old 13.01.2010, 14:02
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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

I have Bluewin for a while now and I've never received a bill. Should I come forward to avoid some sort of fine, or will they just bill me eventually?
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Old 13.01.2010, 14:05
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Can you have the socket capped if you have cablecom as well? I am severly technologically challenged so all info is appreciated.

If not, do you have to register with Billag or will Cablecom let them know who we are?
Same question here: can I have Cablecom and not pay Billag? (I don't have a TV)
Do I need to ask Cablecom to cap the TV socket somehow?
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I moved from the Billag because it was not value for money 115 / 3 = Approx 40
LOL! Definitely not value for money, I'll give you that.
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Old 13.01.2010, 14:29
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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

Now we can all, if we want, get at least BBC1, consider that the BBC license fee is £139.50 = 230CHF. So deduct that from Billugh and you're only being ripped of by 230CHF, not the full 460CHF for not watching TV.

Actually, I do watch the Swiss offerings. Many programs (US imports) and films are in dual language.
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Old 13.01.2010, 20:21
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The problem is that you are not paying for the privilege of watching Swiss TV. You are paying for the privilege of watching TV in Switzerland. It is an airwave tax. In much the same way that the Vignette is an Autobahn/Autoroute tax. Vignette is per car whereas the Billag is per household.

Simples.
The comparison isn't really right. You need a motorway vignette if you own a car and use the Swiss motorways.

The car tax you pay seperately.

Not every carholder HAS to get the vignette because he COULD use the motorway rather only the ones that use the Swiss motorways.


If it was the same then the only people who should pay Billag are the ones who watch Swiss TV and listen to Swiss radio not the ones who watch foreign TV or don't watch TV even though they could. Billag are getting very desperate though in their money grabbing. They even want tv capable phones to fall under this law!

I watch Swiss TV so I have no major problem paying that. I do have a problem though paying for the very sub standard Swiss radio.

I didn't pay for two years until one of the guys ringed at my door. I then had to sign up from the start of that month
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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

From where I come, there is no TV/Radio license. All is paid by ads/commercials. (lots of them in any case). And of course the main contents are news and a lot of US sitcoms.
So, If we pay billag here, we should not have ads/commercial in TV...right?
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The comparison isn't really right. You need a motorway vignette if you own a car and use the Swiss motorways.

The car tax you pay seperately.

Not every carholder HAS to get the vignette because he COULD use the motorway rather only the ones that use the Swiss motorways.


If it was the same then the only people who should pay Billag are the ones who watch Swiss TV and listen to Swiss radio not the ones who watch foreign TV or don't watch TV even though they could. Billag are getting very desperate though in their money grabbing. They even want tv capable phones to fall under this law!

I watch Swiss TV so I have no major problem paying that. I do have a problem though paying for the very sub standard Swiss radio.

I didn't pay for two years until one of the guys ringed at my door. I then had to sign up from the start of that month
Actually, the analogy is valid. It is possible to have a video monitor that doesn't and can't receive television signals. I own them. It is possible to own, use and watch TV's as long as they don't have tuners in them or connected to them. Professional video equipment is qualified for use without paying Billag in the same way as your car is allowed to be driven without the Vignette as longs as you don't use the Motorway i.e. the normal Broadcast Channels.

So, if you use any method to receive transmissions for video or audio from somewhere else then according to Billag you are "using the motorway."

This is what I meant. I am only paying Billag because I wanted to watch Cable while I lived in this country. Otherwise, I would only pay the radio part. I am quite capable of buying a professional monitor that will not receive Broadcast Signals and only watch Blueray discs on my Play Station 3.

My wife's company budgeted for the cost and told me that I am "going to pay the TV license whether I like it or not." So I have paid it from day one.

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Old 13.01.2010, 21:47
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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

Just to mention something also, i don't have a t.v neither radio, i only use Ipod & my computer, Billag inspector came once on my door to ask if i'm registered, i said no as i have no T.V neither radio, he registered & fined me cause i have a computer, he mentioned the license applies on any device that is capable to broadcast / view T.V or radio on including computers
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Just to mention something also, i don't have a t.v neither radio, i only use Ipod & my computer, Billag inspector came once on my door to ask if i'm registered, i said no as i have no T.V neither radio, he registered & fined me cause i have a computer, he mentioned the license applies on any device that is capable to broadcast / view T.V or radio on including computers
How much did he fine you?
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Old 14.01.2010, 10:31
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Actually, the analogy is valid. It is possible to have a video monitor that doesn't and can't receive television signals. I own them. It is possible to own, use and watch TV's as long as they don't have tuners in them or connected to them. Professional video equipment is qualified for use without paying Billag in the same way as your car is allowed to be driven without the Vignette as longs as you don't use the Motorway i.e. the normal Broadcast Channels.

So, if you use any method to receive transmissions for video or audio from somewhere else then according to Billag you are "using the motorway."

This is what I meant. I am only paying Billag because I wanted to watch Cable while I lived in this country. Otherwise, I would only pay the radio part. I am quite capable of buying a professional monitor that will not receive Broadcast Signals and only watch Blueray discs on my Play Station 3.

My wife's company budgeted for the cost and told me that I am "going to pay the TV license whether I like it or not." So I have paid it from day one.

Brian.

Traditionally your right. It is possible to have monitors/TVs without being connected to the TV. And it would be right. But with modern technology it's different.

As the poster above explains a computer with broadband access is considered a TV, a phone with radio is considered a radio. If you want to listen to your Ipod you still need a car radio so you have to pay. The Billag are also lobbying for phones to be considered a TV as well.

That's why I feel the analogy isn't valid anymore. Everyone has a PC with broadband internet. Nearly every new phone has a radio installed in to it. In the near future all phones will have capability to watch TV as well, but no one apart from Billag would say watching TV over the phone is a viable alternative.

Because you have broadband internet, phone. You could watch TV/listen to radio so you have to pay even though a very very low majority would actually use it as a serious alternative.


So for your analogy you use a TV/monitor as your car then yes your right but if you think as your PC/phone as your car then the analogy isn't valid anymore
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Old 14.01.2010, 11:04
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Traditionally your right. It is possible to have monitors/TVs without being connected to the TV. And it would be right. But with modern technology it's different.

As the poster above explains a computer with broadband access is considered a TV, a phone with radio is considered a radio. If you want to listen to your Ipod you still need a car radio so you have to pay. The Billag are also lobbying for phones to be considered a TV as well.

That's why I feel the analogy isn't valid anymore. Everyone has a PC with broadband internet. Nearly every new phone has a radio installed in to it. In the near future all phones will have capability to watch TV as well, but no one apart from Billag would say watching TV over the phone is a viable alternative.

Because you have broadband internet, phone. You could watch TV/listen to radio so you have to pay even though a very very low majority would actually use it as a serious alternative.


So for your analogy you use a TV/monitor as your car then yes your right but if you think as your PC/phone as your car then the analogy isn't valid anymore
Yeah, I thought of that last night after I went to bed. (sad I know... )

They don't know what kind of phone I have. It doesn't have a radio in it. Until I got a contract with Orange in this country it was legally none of their business. I have an iphone.

Of course, I bought a laptop and got internet access a few months after we moved here so that would also "count" according to them.

What's next... You have hot "and" cold running water, therefor you need to pay us for the privilege?

This is the problem that all of these types of organisations are having these days. Technology is so different than it was even 10 years ago that the mechanisms put in place to deal with certain issues just aren't valid any more. Billag is a perfect case in point. If I don't actually watch any content that technically differs from getting a text message or phone call then I am not using those resources. What's next? Video SMS messages will require Billag? This is just stupid.

If the government wants to hit everyone up for using the airwaves then just tax "Everyone". Stop this farting around and trying to justify an antiquated bureaucratic extension like Billag. In the long run the only people who benefit are the people that run around trying to catch us out. They get to justify their jobs. But their jobs are make work.

Here is how it could work. When you get a cellphone contract you would have an add on that would cover the "cost" of using that device in Switzerland. This is much more effective than trying to figure out who owns TVs. The same for anyone using broadband internet. What percentage of the population do you think that this covers? I'll bet over 90 percent of the households in this country have at least one or the other. I'll bet over 60 percent have both.

Upon further reflection, I think the real problem is that the people that run and profit due to the existence of Billag have no desire to sort this mess out. They are like an appendix and I think that it has come time to remove them.


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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

Dear Mr. Billag,

As you can see from your records I currently do not own a TV and
do not pay your licence fees. I understand that this is a very bad
situation for you as you miss out on around chf 500 a year. Therefore
I would like to offer you the opportunity to buy me this big-ass 50"
TV I saw at the Mediamarket last weekend. Over the lifespan of this
device you will easely recover the chf 2000 investment you have to
make to offer me this TV.

Awaiting your positive answer,

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Yes, but the UK charge is about 60% cheaper -- and the quality of the programming it pays for is vastly superior. Well, most of it, anyhow.

And UK gave birth to IT Crowd!!!
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Again, that's because the UK has close to the 10 times the population and doesn't have to produce programming in 4 languages.
Maybe if Switzerland can't do it cost effecively, they should just not bother and let people use the money to pay for subscriptions to foreign TV?

I pay Billag and I don't even watch TV!

p.s. don't forget about the radio on your mobile phone or alarm clock!
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Maybe if Switzerland can't do it cost effecively, they should just not bother and let people use the money to pay for subscriptions to foreign TV?
I simply said that they have far less money available than the BBC, I think they do pretty well with the resources they have and the requirements that they have to meet. As far as "not bothering", that's a pretty selfish attitude. You, as an expat, might not have any interest in watching TV in german, but for many its their only source for local cultural and sporting events, and news. Unless you think the BBC would be kind enough to broadcast a Thun-Basel football match, or Sechselauten, Fasnacht in Basel, etc. etc.
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I simply said that they have far less money available than the BBC, I think they do pretty well with the resources they have and the requirements that they have to meet. As far as "not bothering", that's a pretty selfish attitude. You, as an expat, might not have any interest in watching TV in german, but for many its their only source for local cultural and sporting events, and news. Unless you think the BBC would be kind enough to broadcast a Thun-Basel football match, or Sechselauten, Fasnacht in Basel, etc. etc.
I totally agree with this sentiment. I have watched the Suisse HD channel and the High Definition helicopter footage that they broadcast sometimes as filler is stunning.

I think that all countries should have and produce their own content. God help us if everyone watched only US programming. It sometimes seems like they do. I don't think it would be wise to have the UK being the only alternative to US programming.

The problem for me is that the way the people behind Billag operate is just barely one step up from the mafia. The only reason I give them this distinction is that at least what they are doing is technically legal. Oh, and they don't actually rough you up! If you read the comments from various people on this forum it sure sounds like a protection racket.

I mean come on we need money from cell phone users to make content? Does that mean that whenever I make content that other cellphone users view or listen too that I should get funding from the government? Based on their logic, since I pay on one side, I should get paid on the other. No?

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Re: Swiss TV license bills ...ugh!

Billag is a tax that almost everyone in Switzerland accepts and pays. By the way, SF2 has regular evening programmes after 20:00 in english and german.
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Wait until (all) governments apply the licence fee to every device, rather than every household.
How many tv's, radio's, radio alarm clocks, computers, ipods etc do you have in your home?

Not that I want to worry you...

Until then, think about cost-averaging
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I dont get what the fuss is about Billag fees. It is a tax imposed by the Swiss government to fund public TV. I actually like that I am paying a direct tax, as the revenues and cost are clear and not hidden in a general tax. The fact that we as foreigners do no not have this direct tax in our home countries does not mean we don't pay taxes in another way. The way I see it, I just moved from Florida where I paid 11% income taxes. But my property taxes were also 8% of my income. Do I not pay this because I think it is excessive? No, because they would then need to increase the income tax. So if you are not complaining about Swiss income taxes that are lower than the ones in your home country you cannot complain about the Billag fees. Another fact already pointed out by many is that the Swiss with 3 or 4 languages and a small population are naturally at a disadvantage over the UK and Germany.
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