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Old 17.05.2010, 16:13
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

I don't think it's possible to record one channel and watch another using the Ci+ card system...
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Old 17.05.2010, 16:16
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

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I don't think it's possible to record one channel and watch another using the Ci+ card system...
That is dependent on the capabilities of the TV and recorder system that the CI+ card is plugged in to.

Example: Here is a recorder with 2 x CI+ slots:
http://www.chip.de/news/Panasonic-Bl..._39169968.html
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Old 18.05.2010, 09:42
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

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That is dependent on the capabilities of the TV and recorder system that the CI+ card is plugged in to.

Example: Here is a recorder with 2 x CI+ slots:
http://www.chip.de/news/Panasonic-Bl..._39169968.html
According to this: http://www.cablecom.ch/empfangsgeraete.htm
There's no recording of any kind for the CI+ cards in any kind of device - it's DRMed out.

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Old 18.05.2010, 10:44
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

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According to this: http://www.cablecom.ch/empfangsgeraete.htm
There's no recording of any kind for the CI+ cards in any kind of device - it's DRMed out.
I interpret that website differently

I read it as the CI+ card has no builtin recorder and therefore the CI+ card itself cannot record; but that does not imply recording is restricted.

This is further confirmed by the cablecom letter to the Preisüberwacher:
http://www.preisueberwacher.admin.ch...2c_JjKbNoKSn6A--


IV. Common Interface (CI+)
4. Cablecom schränkt den Konsum und die Speicherung von Inhalten mittels CI+ nicht ein, ausser es wird von den Inhaltsanbietern ausdrücklich verlangt.



That translates to:
Cablecom does not restrict the consumption and recording of content using the CI+ card, unless it has been expressly requested by the content owner
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Old 18.05.2010, 10:48
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

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IV. Common Interface (CI+)
4. Cablecom schränkt den Konsum und die Speicherung von Inhalten mittels CI+ nicht ein, ausser es wird von den Inhaltsanbietern ausdrücklich verlangt.
Yeah, unfortunately, some (e.g. all German private TV stations) content providers DO restrict recording on Cablecom. As they (Cablecom) doesn't have a software yet for its CI+ cards that will let individual channels be restricted while the rest is unrestricted, they're now restricting ALL channels for the time being. They're "hoping" they will have a new software out by September. So no, recording doesn't work at the moment.

http://www.digi-tv.ch/cablecom/6373-...-aufnahme.html
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Old 18.05.2010, 11:30
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

I've just ordered a digi-card and assume I will be still able to record in analogue - for Swiss channels. (I have a freesat satellite box for UK channels.)
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Old 18.05.2010, 11:36
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I've just ordered a digi-card and assume I will be still able to record in analogue - for Swiss channels. (I have a freesat satellite box for UK channels.)
By "record in analogue" do you mean tape it using a VCR or an external HDD recorder? I'm not sure that works but I guess that would depend on whether the CI+ card allows the TV to export the signal to an analog source (which, I'm afraid, is rather unlikely).
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Old 18.05.2010, 12:33
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By "record in analogue" do you mean tape it using a VCR or an external HDD recorder? I'm not sure that works but I guess that would depend on whether the CI+ card allows the TV to export the signal to an analog source (which, I'm afraid, is rather unlikely).
No the source for recording analogue would be as now - the hard disk recorder connected through the CC wall socket, completely independent of the TV with CI+ card...
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Old 18.05.2010, 13:30
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No the source for recording analogue would be as now - the hard disk recorder connected through the CC wall socket, completely independent of the TV with CI+ card...
that should definitely work, at least as long as Cablecom doesn't turn off the analog signal (which will happen in a year or two)

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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

Price reduction? I currently pay CHF15 for my list of channels and Cablecom confirmed that if I bought the new CI+ card, I would have to take up the Comfort package to get the same channels I have now & that would cost CHF30. Even with my set top rental of CHF6, I still currently pay a total of CHF21.

Hmmm...
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Old 05.09.2010, 08:51
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

From September 1, new automatically downloaded software updates the Cablecom CI+ card to allow recording...

http://www.cablecom.ch/en/b2c/tv/emp...e/digicard.htm
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

I never heard of this CI+ idea before. Read the threads here and wikipedia . I have a new TV with a CI+ slot and would happily send the Cablecom digibox thing back and save a little power and remove one remote control from the sofa.

As it has been around for a while now in Cablecom-land, has anyone found any downsides to using the CI+ card versus the traditional device ?
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

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I never heard of this CI+ idea before. Read the threads here and wikipedia . I have a new TV with a CI+ slot and would happily send the Cablecom digibox thing back and save a little power and remove one remote control from the sofa.

As it has been around for a while now in Cablecom-land, has anyone found any downsides to using the CI+ card versus the traditional device ?
Yep.

Downsides:
a) no built-in recorder
b) no automatic support of Logical Channel Numbering - the support of LCM is dependent on the TV. eg: Samsung TVs don't support LCM, and thus when you scan all channels with the TV, the Samsung sorts them alphabetically, with the first channel being "Adult" !! So you have to muck around for ages resorting the channels
c) no automatic adjustment to new TV channels (although this is again TV dependent, some Sonys do, some TVs don't adjust their menus when new channels become available).
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Re: Cablecom announce CI+ card usage - and price reduction

Cheers Friendly Kiwi.

I have a Samsung Series 7 that has in built recording (never used it) but that little "feature" would be a nuisance.

hmm, I'll have a think about it.
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