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Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

Hi all,

I bought the internet connection offered by Cablecom, see link:

http://www.cablecom.ch/en/hispeed2000.htm,

As described the download speed should be up to 2000kb/s, while I can only reach the maximum 250kb/s.

I would like to have your ideas if it is of a right speed, or should I call calbecom's custumservic?

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Old 24.05.2010, 02:54
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

When you say you can reach a maximum of 250k/s, is that the actual download speed you get when downloading files?

http://www.speedtest.net < Go here and run the test (if you have not done so already) this should give you an idea of your line speed.

We have the hispeed 25000 and get around 3 - 5 mb/s in actual download speeds.
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

Hi Rich,

Thank you for your midnight reply. yes, 250 kb is the actual speed when I download files. I did the test throught your link, and was told my downloadspeed is 2.12 mb/s.

Ok, seems that I got the right product, although it is not of the high speed I expected.
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

I am also on the Cablecom 25,000 package ( 4 IPs ) and use this site to test with reference to a NY server and get as per enclosed test results.

Download Speed: 10441 kbps (1305.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2119 kbps (264.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

Hi, if you bought the 2000kbits one then theoretically you should get at most around 250kbytes per second (8bits = 1 byte) in download speed. So the speed you are getting is exactly what you are supposed to get.
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

This is the most accurate speed test for cablecom as it has no intermediat peers:
http://hsi.cablecom.ch/speedtest/
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

Upfront, I don't really understand all the techny stuff, just saw HD, freecall and 20meg broadband for 30 chuffs less per month less than I was paying for SD, low call and 5 meg broadband a good deal.

I did the upgrade 10 days ago from 5 meg to 20 meg but haven't noticed any real improvement in speed. I did the test (twice with MS outlook and the EF open and twice without) and the speed was contsant using your link abfab (ta muchly) and the results were:
D - 642 kBytes
U - 69 kBytes

I can't remember but I'm sure that's what I was getting before, is there a delay in the speed activation for CC?
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This is the most accurate speed test for cablecom as it has no intermediat peers:
http://hsi.cablecom.ch/speedtest/
Sadly, these tests are at best a minor indication. There are too many factors involved to get accurate results.

This is what I get from 100Mb/8Mb




Even better....



Using your suggested server I averaged around 60Mb/s up and 6.8 down...



Thanks for the link, it's burst my bubble a bit, but has perhaps provided more real world values. All these sites are known to ISP's and they can both cache and manipulate traffic to distort results in their favour. I would not be surprised if they have a connection to the ones that present themselves in the most favourable light.
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Hi all,

I bought the internet connection offered by Cablecom, see link:

http://www.cablecom.ch/en/hispeed2000.htm,

As described the download speed should be up to 2000kb/s, while I can only reach the maximum 250kb/s.

I would like to have your ideas if it is of a right speed, or should I call calbecom's custumservic?

Thanks
To get a full 2000Kbps download rate, the other end (the one's serving you the file you're downloading) should be uploading at thesame speed. Unfortunately, the upload speed rate is always lower than the download rate. This is why i think its pointless getting a broadband package with up 20 Meg, 50 Meg, so on and so fort because in a real world, you can't take advantage of its full speed. So in a nutshell its a complete and utter waste of money.
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To get a full 2000Kbps download rate, the other end (the one's serving you the file you're downloading) should be uploading at thesame speed. Unfortunately, the upload speed rate is always lower than the download rate. This is why i think its pointless getting a broadband package with up 20 Meg, 50 Meg, so on and so fort because in a real world, you can't take advantage of its full speed. So in a nutshell its a complete and utter waste of money.
This is simply not correct. The upload speeds referred to are from internet users. Not servers. Of course you can take advantage of 20/50mbps download speeds. Or do you think we're all daft??
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This is simply not correct. The upload speeds referred to are from internet users. Not servers.
What you are saying there is correct if we are taking about the upload rate per user.

But what i was saying there is when you are downloading a file hosted in a server. i.e. downloading messenger from yahoo for instance isnt that subject to upload bandwidth as well?

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Really? Im not saying you are daft but when exactly did you managed to Download a file at 50 Mbps? I was using 20Mbps with BE Internet before, and the most i could get when downloading a file hosted in a server is 600Kbps.
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But what i was saying there is when you are downloading a file hosted in a server. i.e. downloading messenger from yahoo for instance isnt that subject to upload bandwidth as well?

Really? Im not saying you are daft but when exactly did you managed to Download a file at 50 Mbps? I was using 20Mbps with BE Internet before, and the most i could get when downloading a file hosted in a server is 600Kbps.
When downloading from internet servers like Yahoo and MSN for example, the files are already there (i.e. uploaded -- so no issue with an upload rate) but yes, if the server you are downloading from does not have much bandwidth then your higher bandwidth won't help you. I won't get into details of Peer-to-peer downloads (there the upload rate would matter but again depends on the number of users sharing the file). On the other hand, you can download multiple files from different servers and in this case higher bandwidth will help you. So for example you can watch a video online while downloading 4 or 5 different files for the maximum allowable download rate (if you have that much bandwidth) from that server.

P.S. like I said a 50Mbit line does not mean you'll download files at 50Mbytes per second, rather 50/8=6.25Mbytes per second.
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P.S. like I said a 50Mbit line does not mean you'll download files at 50Mbytes per second, rather 50/8=6.25Mbytes per second.
So the rates I posted for CC fibre 20 are ok then or not
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What you are saying there is correct if we are taking about the upload rate per user.

But what i was saying there is when you are downloading a file hosted in a server. i.e. downloading messenger from yahoo for instance isnt that subject to upload bandwidth as well?



Really? Im not saying you are daft but when exactly did you managed to Download a file at 50 Mbps? I was using 20Mbps with BE Internet before, and the most i could get when downloading a file hosted in a server is 600Kbps.
You don't know what you're talking about. At the server end, you'll either have 10, 100 or 1000Mbps connection. Most providers will, for example, offer you either a 10Mbps flat connection for your server or will give you 100/1000Mbps and once you hit an amount of traffic, it is throttled.

Google, MS, Yahoo and the likes all have very fast connections probably out to a level one tier ISP. It's all the hops along the way plus all the other people using the resource that slows you down.

http://hsi.bluewin.ch is the same speedtest as Cablecom for Swisscom DSL customers. Running a speed test from any upstream location is likely to not show you a correct speed.

Don't forget you're running a consumer service not a business service and bandwidth is not guaranteed

And don't get confused with how the different speeds are measured for different things
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You don't know what you're talking about. At the server end, you'll either have 10, 100 or 1000Mbps connection. Most providers will, for example, offer you either a 10Mbps flat connection for your server or will give you 100/1000Mbps and once you hit an amount of traffic, it is throttled.

Google, MS, Yahoo and the likes all have very fast connections probably out to a level one tier ISP. It's all the hops along the way plus all the other people using the resource that slows you down.

http://hsi.bluewin.ch is the same speedtest as Cablecom for Swisscom DSL customers. Running a speed test from any upstream location is likely to not show you a correct speed.

Don't forget you're running a consumer service not a business service and bandwidth is not guaranteed

And don't get confused with how the different speeds are measured for different things

Right Pardon me, My I.T Administrator just burst out laughing.

This is what we are talking about.

If you are downloading a file from a server, even though that file is already in the server, when you download, it will still be subject to a bandwidth when passing it over to you. So regardless of how fast is the download bandwidth of that user, if the uploading bandwidth is limited at a certain speed only. That's the only speed that user will get, and if others are connected to thesame server at thesame time the bandwidth will have to be split to the number of connected users reducing it even more.

So this is why i said, you can't take advantage of your full 50 meg, 20 Meg.

achilles852 pointed out, you can take advantage of this speeds, but only if you are connected simultaneosly to a different servers at thesame time. i.e. downloading a file from yahoo, while watching you tube at thesame time etc.

anyhow..

achilles852 is also right with below

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P.S. like I said a 50Mbit line does not mean you'll download files at 50Mbytes per second, rather 50/8=6.25Mbytes per second.
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Re: Question on Cablecom: real highspeed "2000"?

jsu - your cablecom backage is 2000kBIT and you are correctly getting around 256kBYTE download speeds.
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Right Pardon me, My I.T Administrator just burst out laughing.

This is what we are talking about.

If you are downloading a file from a server, even though that file is already in the server, when you download, it will still be subject to a bandwidth when passing it over to you. So regardless of how fast is the download bandwidth of that user, if the uploading bandwidth is limited at a certain speed only. That's the only speed that user will get, and if others are connected to thesame server at thesame time the bandwidth will have to be split to the number of connected users reducing it even more.

So this is why i said, you can't take advantage of your full 50 meg, 20 Meg.

achilles852 pointed out, you can take advantage of this speeds, but only if you are connected simultaneosly to a different servers at thesame time. i.e. downloading a file from yahoo, while watching you tube at thesame time etc.

anyhow..

achilles852 is also right with below
no, you said this and it is incorrect.
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To get a full 2000Kbps download rate, the other end (the one's serving you the file you're downloading) should be uploading at thesame speed. Unfortunately, the upload speed rate is always lower than the download rate. This is why i think its pointless getting a broadband package with up 20 Meg, 50 Meg, so on and so fort because in a real world, you can't take advantage of its full speed. So in a nutshell its a complete and utter waste of money.
The upload speed is not necessarily lower. What matters is what is between you and the server and how many others are using the service (remote and local).

I have a server and it can upload at 100Mbps to the Internet. As it's located not too many hops from me, I can see it max my bandwidth. It does not max its own bandwidth.

Domestic ISP plans are not guaranteed any bandwidth and often oversell. Even if they don't, contention can be significant at certain times of the day.

I still see my 20Mbps being saturated quite often. I assume your IT Admin person knows what I am up to in order to achieve that
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Domestic ISP plans are not guaranteed any bandwidth and often oversell.
that statement is incorrect.

Correct would be:
Domestic ISP plans are not guaranteed any bandwidth and always oversell.
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To get a full 2000Kbps download rate, the other end (the one's serving you the file you're downloading) should be uploading at thesame speed. Unfortunately, the upload speed rate is always lower than the download rate. This is why i think its pointless getting a broadband package with up 20 Meg, 50 Meg, so on and so fort because in a real world, you can't take advantage of its full speed. So in a nutshell its a complete and utter waste of money.
Is what you wrote. OK let's go to:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/sexandthecity2/

This is areally crap HD trailer, but I can download the Full 1080 HD trailer, a 178Mb file fast enough to steam it...
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I a 178Mb file fast enough to steam it...
Everyone is mixing their units up on this thread
178 Mb = 178Megabits = 22.25 Megabytes, so would stream fine :-)

A reminder of the correct units:

b = bits
B = bytes
m = milli
M = Mega
k = kilo

Megabit = Mb (not mb or MB)

Megabyte = MB (not mb or Mb)

Kilobit = kb (not KB or Kb)

Kilobyte = kB (not KB or kb)

To refresh your knowledge and usage of SI units:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix

and of Megabyte:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabit
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