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BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

My Director has BluewinTV in one if his homes, everything works no problem, but would like to have the BluewinTV box connected wirelessly.

The Modem/Telephone is on the opposite side of the Living room and requires that a cable be run either around the walls or under the carpet in the middle. My director just doesnt like this idea.

I would like to be able to connect a second Wirless Bow next to the TV and therby eliminate the cabling, The current modem/switch is a Netopiea 3357.

Has anyone succesfully connected the BluewinTV box wirelessly. I have heard that it is indeed possible.

With my own attempts I have managed to get a picture but do not get the menus at the bottom which means I cannot change channel. There must be some strange Bandwith considerations that I do not know.

What Access point can I use to successfully connect to the Netopiea 3357.


Thanks for any advice.
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil

did you read the other BluewinTV thread(s)?
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did you read the other BluewinTV thread(s)?
Yes I did, but the only other mention that I saw was for a pair of those TV Emitter/Receivers. This would not resolve my problem as the BluewinTV Box sits under the television, which as I mentioned is on the other side of the room from the Modem/Switch.
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

After several discussions with the Swisscom Technicians, I have learned that it is not not possible at the current time.

The BluewinTV requires the usage of the VDSL protocols and a sustained bandwidth of 50 MO/s. The current Wifi Access Points cannot sustain this speed and apparently the "Protocols" have not been formalized by the various manufacturers.

The technicians reckon that a BluewinTV Wireless solution will be available Mid 2008.

My only solution therefore will be to move the wall socket behind the television, obviously requiring a cable to be run along the walls.

Tough luck for me......

( I wrote the title in French, mea culpa ).
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

if you look in the other thread, you'll see that they do this as part of the installation cost and it's done quite neatly
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

I got BluWin installed last week. I'm absolutely happy about the service and the quality of the image.
The installation was done similarily to what you need, moving the phone socket from one side to the other of my living room. The electrician did everything including hiding the wire behind the skirting of the wall.
He said that this was all included in the 95 CHF that Swisscom asks for the installation. So far I haven't got any extra bill....
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

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I got BluWin installed last week. I'm absolutely happy about the service and the quality of the image.
The installation was done similarily to what you need, moving the phone socket from one side to the other of my living room. The electrician did everything including hiding the wire behind the skirting of the wall.
He said that this was all included in the 95 CHF that Swisscom asks for the installation. So far I haven't got any extra bill....
The main disadvantage in my Directors appartement is that the floors and the first 10cm around the walls are tiled. therefore I presume that the Electrician cannot hide the cable.

Are there any parts of your installation where the cable is visible and if so is it thinner and less visible than a standard network cable. When the cable is not behind the skirting what method was used to fix/attach it to the wall.

To add to my problem, the cable would have to be run up and around one or more doors.

I have no idea if it is important but the current telephone installation uses "ISDN", I dont know if ISDN requires thicker cables than normal.

My director is a stickler for aesthetic and will probably refuse any work whereby the cables were to visible. ( hence my initial request for the Wireless solution ).

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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

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The main disadvantage in my Directors appartement is that the floors and the first 10cm around the walls are tiled. therefore I presume that the Electrician cannot hide the cable.

Are there any parts of your installation where the cable is visible and if so is it thinner and less visible than a standard network cable. When the cable is not behind the skirting what method was used to fix/attach it to the wall.

To add to my problem, the cable would have to be run up and around one or more doors.

I have no idea if it is important but the current telephone installation uses "ISDN", I dont know if ISDN requires thicker cables than normal.

My director is a stickler for aesthetic and will probably refuse any work whereby the cables were to visible. ( hence my initial request for the Wireless solution ).

If u use shielded cabling and you dont have more than 15 metres of it, u can try pulling your cable in an existing power conduit. (This is not officialy recommended by me !) but sometimes its the only way. Or an existing TV conduite will do too.
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

Oh and ISDN uses 4 core cabling and POTS (analog) uses only 2. So ISDN is slightly thicker cable.
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Re: BluewinTV Sans Fil (which means without wires in case you were wondering)

I can confirm that although the Bluewin-supplied ADSL and VDSL routers have WiFi, you can't stream TV over this as the available bandwidth is just not high enough (whatever the over-inflated claims are!) You HAVE to connect the router and the Bluewin IPTV box with a conventional Ethernet cable.

One trick used by the Bluewin installers is to move the incoming telephone cable to a point behind the TV. This cable is just a thin copper pair and is easier to hide than an Ethernet cable. Sometimes a (now defunct) TV antenna cable duct and socket can be used to reroute this cable.

Once the router is thus connected with the phone line behind the TV, one can then use a very short patch cable to connect the IPTV box. PC connections to the router can then be made wirelessly, as the limited speed of WiFi is not usually an issue when browsing/emailing.

The only remaining issue is telephones. I simply hooked a Siemens Gigaset Dect cordless base to the incoming phone line - problem solved.

HOWEVER - if you can't use the solution outlined above, Swisscom are actively testing (6/07) an alternative that involves using a very thin plastic optical fibre (just 1.5mm dia) as an Ethernet extension. This is also a Siemens Gigaset product, which rejoices in the (English on the box) product name "Gigaset Optical LAN Adapter Duo". The product consists of a cardboard box that contains two identical small white boxes with indicator LEDs. Each box has an Ethernet and a fibre socket, and needs volts from a small wall transformer. No configuration at all is required - it's quite literally "plug and play". So the connections are: Router Ethernet socket via Ethernet patch cable to white box, to fibre (30m suppplied - user can shorten), to 2nd white box, to 2nd Ethernet patch cable and finally to the IPTV box. The 2 short patch cables, 30m fibre, fibre cutter, wall transformers and English/French/German instructions are all in that single box.

I don't know where this can be purchased as the one I have I'm testing is here in my office/lab, but Siemens Gigaset stuff is freely available in CH. I also don't (yet) know if Swisscom will sell or provide this as part of the Bluewin TV install service.

Note that this Gigaset product allows you to extend ANY standard Ethernet up to 30m using a very thin fibre, so it's uses are not limited to IPTV. I imagine it could be pretty useful to renters who need to easily extend a true 100Mbits/s Ethernet invisibly around an apartment and can't/don't want to use much slower WiFi. It also doesn't care at all about Mac/PC/Linux issues! For the tecchies, it's IEEE 802.3u.

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