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Choosing TV Reception

It may habe been answered before.

I am building a house. I put the cable plug in the wall so I can hang my TV free and clear of all junk. I want to buy a TV with a usb plug. I do not want any boxes or stuff hanging around. I want a streamlined look.

I have 3 options.

1) Pay cablecom to run a line and enjoy their service, like I have been for the last few years for TV, Internet and Fixed Line. No box looks clean.

2) Install a Satellite for 1400 CHF. Do I then need a receiver - probably. But do I need a receiver for every TV? Can I just stick the receiver in the basement with a TV and plug all the others in from the cable outlets around the house?

3) Use the existing lines to the house and do everything through swiss com. They have a package including TV for 111 per month. But, then if I have a second or even third TV (3 people, 3 TVs do I sound like an American) then do I need 3 boxes from Swiss com?

And do I need their installation services?
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

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1) Refusing to install cable TV reduces options for the future and reduces house value. Even if you do not use it, you should install it. Eg: Internet over cable TV is much faster than anything Swisscom can ever offer over copper. Installing the cable TV connection when building the house is much cheaper and easier than doing it after the house is built.

2) You can buy TVs with built in DVB-S satellite receivers, so all you have to do is distribute the satellite signal over your home network. External Settop Boxes for DVB-S are only needed when the TV has no DVB-S receiver built in

3) The Swisscom system is non-DVB, and will always need a separate receiver per TV.

You actually forgot option 4, but not many people use it these days:

4) Terrestrial TV reception: DVB-T via a house antenna on the roof (or under the roof). Only really interesting if you live in an area where many DVB-T signals are available.

To summarize:
1. Cable TV offers analog TV, analog radio, digital TV, digital phone, and Internet
2. Satellite TV ovvers only diogital TV 8maybe a smattering of digital radio channels, but nothing that can be used by a hifi)
3. Swisscom TV offers only digital TV, and the line provides analog or digital phone.
4. Terrestrial TV offers only digital TV, and with the right antenna analog radio and digital radio (DAB) as well.

so the cable TV provides the most services and the most flexibility

what would I do if it was my house?

Install both cable TV and a Swisscom copperline - leaving options open for the future.
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

As FriendlyKiwi say, building a house within the cable net area and not installing it will reduce the value of the the property by more than the cost of installing and is akin to not installing water or electricity!

You should ask your builder to install a plastic pipe in the wall through which you can thread HDMI and scart cables so they cannot be seen. Additionally you will need at least one power socket and cable TV socket high up in the wall at the top opening of this tube to power the TV, which will be hidden behind it when mounted.

This is the set up I have with a Freesat box and digital Cablecom with the CHF99 one-time cost card in the TV. The satellite set up cost about half the CHF1400 you quote...
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2. Satellite TV ovvers only diogital TV 8maybe a smattering of digital radio channels, but nothing that can be used by a hifi)
I receive dozens of UK radio stations from my satellite receiver all of which are feed into the hifi without problem...
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As FriendlyKiwi say, building a house within the cable net area and not installing it will reduce the value of the the property by more than the cost of installing and is akin to not installing water or electricity!

You should ask your builder to install a plastic pipe in the wall through which you can thread HDMI and scart cables so they cannot be seen. Additionally you will need at least one power socket and cable TV socket high up in the wall at the top opening of this tube to power the TV, which will be hidden behind it when mounted.

This is the set up I have with a Freesat box and digital Cablecom with the CHF99 one-time cost card in the TV. The satellite set up cost about half the CHF1400 you quote...
Why would it cost more to install cable later on. It is in the house it just does not run from the street to the house. I can cancel my contract with 1 months notice because the address does not have any service. To aquire the service I have to get a quote from Cablecom separately.

You are all definitely right on the internet option, but my builder says that cablecome does not offer internet there anyway. How could that be true, if they are going to deliver me cable then I would get everything over it wouldn't I. Phone, TV, and Internet.
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

Cablecom charge ludicrous priced for connecting houses to the cables in the road. Expect it be CHF10,000.

You can check on the cablecom.ch website to see if the internet is available at any address in Switzerland. I doubt there are many places that can get TV and not the internet.

You chose what services you want from Cablecom, you can just take analogue TV to the whole bundle. Again it's all on the website...
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

If you are worried about having lots boxes making your home look ugly, you might want to look at the Harmony universal remote controls [1]. Ours came with a RF wireless extender, which goes inside a cupboard with all the components, and does not need direct line of sight from the remote to control things.

As for cablecom, there areas around the old town in Luzern where all they provide is analogue TV. No digital TV, no internet and no phone. I've asked about the network being upgraded, but was told that they are expanding the network and not doing upgrades.


[1] http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remote...ersal_remotes/
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I receive dozens of UK radio stations from my satellite receiver all of which are feed into the hifi without problem...
Only if the satellite receiver is beside the hifi

On my cable tv connection, the cable is plugged into 3 stereos and one bedside radio, in a total of 4 different rooms

And each stereo can operate totally independently of the others

And the radios have RDS as well.

So yes, some radio may be on the satellite, but it's not the same as a distributed FM system supporting RDS and even TP/TA.
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Why would it cost more to install cable later on. It is in the house it just does not run from the street to the house. I can cancel my contract with 1 months notice because the address does not have any service. To aquire the service I have to get a quote from Cablecom separately.

You are all definitely right on the internet option, but my builder says that cablecome does not offer internet there anyway. How could that be true, if they are going to deliver me cable then I would get everything over it wouldn't I. Phone, TV, and Internet.
Where is "there?" Tell us the town and street, we can say what services are available.

And digging up the beautifully manicured garden, adding a new cable duct and running wiring into the house generally is more dificult and messy after the house is built. And does not win points with the wife.

The right time to add basic infrastructure is during the house construction.

Unless you have planned ahead and run ducting from the cellar to the local cable TV junction box.....
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

Thanks for all your great replies.
My cheapest up front option is to go with Blue Win TV and a Blue Win bundle.
Anyone know why I need a receiver for every TV?
Sounds awful.
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My cheapest up front option is to go with Blue Win TV and a Blue Win bundle.
No. Your cheapest option is a satellite receiver and dish. Fust and Aldi do an 80cm dish, LNB, receiver and cables for under CHF150.00. That's a one-off charge, not monthly.

But the cheapest may not always be the best...
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Thanks for all your great replies.
My cheapest up front option is to go with Blue Win TV and a Blue Win bundle.
Anyone know why I need a receiver for every TV?
Sounds awful.
You need a Swisscom receiver for every TV because Swisscom distribute their TV program in a proprietary encrypted manner, which cannot be received by any television UNLESS you add the external Swisscom receiver. Which you can only get from Swisscom.

You cannot go and freely choose any receiver you want, or purchase a TV with a built in receiver. Swisscom won't let you.

And you are forced to have a Swisscom phone line and Swisscom internet whether you want it or not.
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Re: Choosing TV Reception

The best option for TV depends on how many TVs and what you want to watch. In our case we mainly watch the UK free to air channels (BBC, ITV, etc incl HD) so have gone for satellite distributed throughout the house. This needs a satellite tuner with each TV (some are built-in), but the cost is one-off with no monthly charges. I have also managed to combine the satellite feed with the cable feed in one wire to each faceplate using a multiswitch and it works fine.
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