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Old 11.05.2013, 12:07
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Unfortunately that post demonstrates your ignorance. The ABC is funded centrally by the Federal government (i.e. by taxpayers). I remember the ABC pointing out in the late 1980s that the service only cost 8 cents per day (per head of population) -- apparently this was still true in 2008. And the ABC's quality and breadth of service (range and reach of programming) is far superior to Swiss TV and radio, IMHO, of course.
Might have something to do with the facts that Australia has about three times the population of Switzerland and that ABC doesn't have to broadcast programs in three or four languages...

However, I would be strongly in favor of the whole public broadcasting system (SRG) being funded by the Federal government (i.e. the taxpayers) instead of the ridiculous system we have in Switzerland today.
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However, I would be strongly in favor of the whole public broadcasting system (SRG) being funded by the Federal government (i.e. the taxpayers) instead of the ridiculous system we have in Switzerland today.
Then expect your taxes to go up by 6 or 7 hundred Franks per year. Why so much? Because everybody between you and SRG wants their cut.

If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Billag works... Pay up!
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Old 11.05.2013, 12:46
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Unfortunately that post demonstrates your ignorance. The ABC is funded centrally by the Federal government (i.e. by taxpayers). I remember the ABC pointing out in the late 1980s that the service only cost 8 cents per day (per head of population) -- apparently this was still true in 2008. And the ABC's quality and breadth of service (range and reach of programming) is far superior to Swiss TV and radio, IMHO, of course. At a cost per head of about one-fifth that of its Swiss counterpart.
Thanks for the link it actually highlights the australian system is not as superior as you make out. The total cost of funding of both countries is very similar with both receiving around 800million a year and yes while Australia has a bigger population to serve this may sound like they are dong it better except that the scale of economy should be in their favour asis the need for only a single language.

As another postwr has stated the BBC service which is still under a license fee is vastly better quality then what the ABC delivers. I remember in the area I grew up we had the grand choice of 2 TV channels as late as the 1980s and this was not even a remote area as we were in a town of 7000 people within 3 hours of the coast. This I guess is what the ABC meant by the claim of quality and breadth of service (just please dont live outside a capital city)

While I may not have included all the details what you missed in my post is that it was the attitude of the poster suggesting that we should refuse to pay and break the law and the attitude displayed by the poster was one of we may be living in another country but we just don't care about making any attempt to follow the morals and expectations of this country.

This may work in Australia but in case you haven't noticed that is not where you now are.
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While I may not have included all the details what you missed in my post is that it was the attitude of the poster suggesting that we should refuse to pay and break the law and the attitude displayed by the poster was one of we may be living in another country but we just don't care about making any attempt to follow the morals and expectations of this country.
Agreed.

I don't agree with the rest of your post, but hey ho ...

Back on topic, why is this thread still open? I think the answer has been given several dozen times.

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Back on topic, wiy is this thread still open? I think the answer has been given several dozen times.
Because some silly fools thinks they are special and need some straitening out...
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Old 11.05.2013, 13:24
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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Back on topic, wiy is this thread still open? I think the answer has been given several dozen times.
Because no one actually knows.

Some say you just need an internet conection and *BAM* you need to pay the Borg. Some say that you can have internet access, mobile phones, laptops etc to your heart's content so long as you don't subscribe to a TV service.

Some say you can have a TV but if it's just used as a computer monitor, with no TV subscription service, and your cablecom port officially blocked, you're fine.

Some say that no one has ever been fined or asked to back-pay the amount. Simply start paying from when you're "caught". Some say horrible fine await you followed by a criminal record and lack of permit renewal.

All the above have been given as answers in this and other threads.
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However, I would be strongly in favor of the whole public broadcasting system (SRG) being funded by the Federal government (i.e. the taxpayers) instead of the ridiculous system we have in Switzerland today.
I fully agree

Save millions on Billag collection and processing fees, and put one checkbox on your tax return "Do you have a TV?"

Much simpler, much fairer, save a lot of money

And save jobs too. (Oops: that's probably where the whole idea falls apart in this country)
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Because no one actually knows.

Some say you just need an internet conection and *BAM* you need to pay the Borg. Some say that you can have internet access, mobile phones, laptops etc to your heart's content so long as you don't subscribe to a TV service.

Some say you can have a TV but if it's just used as a computer monitor, with no TV subscription service, and your cablecom port officially blocked, you're fine.

Some say that no one has ever been fined or asked to back-pay the amount. Simply start paying from when you're "caught". Some say horrible fine await you followed by a criminal record and lack of permit renewal.

All the above have been given as answers in this and other threads.
They're all correct, too.
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Old 11.05.2013, 13:48
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Probably. I've no idea myself. Each time the Billag have come to visit me I've been too busy watching TV to answer the door.
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Old 11.05.2013, 13:51
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Here are a few select Articles from the Swiss law:

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Art. 57 Devices suitable for reception

(Art. 68 para. 1 RTVA)
The following are subject to the obligation to notify and to pay fees for the reception of radio or television programme services:
a. devices which are intended for programme service reception or which include specific components intended exclusively for reception;
b. multifunctional devices if they are equivalent in terms of variety of receivable programme services and reception quality to the devices in terms of letter a.
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Art. 60 Obligation to notify

(Art. 68 para. 3 RTVA)
1 Changes in notifiable circumstances must be reported in writing to the fee collection agency.
2 In the case of professional or commercial reception, notification must take place for each branch office.
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Art. 61 Due date, late demands, reimbursement and prescription

(Art. 68 para. 4 and 5 RTVA)
1 The fee is due:
a.in the case of annual bills: on the first day of the third month after the bill is issued;b.in the case of quarterly bills: on the first day of the second month after the bill is issued.1 2 If the fee collection agency has not billed the reception fee or billed it incorrectly or calculated it wrongly, it shall demand the amount not received or make a reimbursement.
3 The prescriptive period for reception fees is five years from the due date of the fee.
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Art. 63 Exemption from the obligation to pay fees and to notify

(Art. 68 para. 6 RTVA)
The following are exempted from the obligation to pay fees and to notify:
a.persons domiciled abroad who reside in Switzerland no more than 90 days per calendar year or 90 consecutive days at any time;b.1residents of care homes who require care corresponding as a minimum to the care requirement level in Article 7a paragraph 3 letter e of the DHA Ordinance of 29 September 1995 on Compulsory Health Insurance Benefits2;c.federal authorities, for the reception of radio and television programme services in official premises and in meeting rooms;d.3diplomatic missions, permanent missions or other representations to international organisations, consular posts and institutional beneficiaries under Article 2 paragraph 1 letters a, b, i, j, k, l and m of the Host State Act of 22 June 20074 which have concluded a headquarters agreement with the Federal Councile.5the diplomatic, administrative, technical and service personnel of diplomatic missions, permanent missions or other representations to international organisations and of consular posts run by professional consular officials who hold an accreditation pass of type B, C, D, E, K red, K blue, K violet or O issued by the Federal Department of Foreign Affairs and who do not have Swiss citizenship.Source

Art. 64 Exemption on application from the obligation to pay fees

(Art. 68 para. 6 RTVA)
1 On written application, the fee collection agency shall exempt those entitled to old-age and survivors’ insurance (AHV) or invalidity insurance (IV) benefits from the obligation to pay fees if they are in receipt of annual benefits under Article 3 paragraph 1 letter a of the Federal Act of 19 March 19651on Benefits supplementary to the Old Age, Survivors' and Disability Insurance and submit a legally valid decision concerning their right to supplementary benefits.
2 If the application is approved, the obligation to pay fees shall end on the last day of the month in which the application for exemption was submitted.
3 Anyone submitting an application for supplementary benefits to the competent authority may at the same time make an application for exemption from the fee to the fee collection agency. The fee collection agency shall suspend the procedure until the decision on the application for supplementary benefits has been made.
4 At regular intervals, the fee collection agency shall check whether the conditions for exemption from the fee still apply.
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Therefore you must pay the TV licence fee (Billag)

It is payable if you have any device whatsoever capable of receiving TV

It doesn't matter how often you watch, how often you switch it on, how often you plug it in, or anything like that.

If you have the capability to watch, you must pay.

Simple. That is the rule, and that is how it works. No excuses.
Must pay my a$$, they won't be getting a single cent from me. Billag is just daylight robbery.

And to those people who say about "hiding in the shadows by not answering the door" etc... I actually get more satisfaction knowing these fools from billag are wasting time and resources trying to get me to pay up when I won't. The joke is on them.
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I have this feeling ... that you are going to be very happy here, having made such a positive start on so many fronts. Enjoy

(Oh, just in case you haven't noticed yet, this isn't Down Under)...
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Must pay my a$$, they won't be getting a single cent from me. Billag is just daylight robbery.

And to those people who say about "hiding in the shadows by not answering the door" etc... I actually get more satisfaction knowing these fools from billag are wasting time and resources trying to get me to pay up when I won't. The joke is on them.
And you have just labeled yourself as a tax dodger.
It is people like you that I dislike immensely, because I end up paying for you.

My taxes go up, and my Billag fees go up, because you shun your duty of paying your fair share.

I hope you get caught and fined accordingly.

PS: why don't you continue in the same line and refuse to put a motorway sticker on your car, refuse to pay your tax bill, travel on the SBB without a ticket, and run out of restaurants without paying. Those sorts of actions appear to be in character for you.
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Must pay my a$$, they won't be getting a single cent from me. Billag is just daylight robbery.
What is there to be explained again and again about Billag? The rules are so easy that you either choose to follow them or not, but there is no argument whatsoever to have about the rules. Is it the fact that Billag's website has no English version that makes it a popular topic on EF? Both French and German texts there are totally clear and I trust our Ticino-connexions here to confirm this for the Italian version. Why bothering fighting against a crystal clear law?
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Must pay my a$$, they won't be getting a single cent from me. Billag is just daylight robbery.

And to those people who say about "hiding in the shadows by not answering the door" etc... I actually get more satisfaction knowing these fools from billag are wasting time and resources trying to get me to pay up when I won't. The joke is on them.
More ignorance on EF...
What do you expect to achieve with this attitude? Surely not an intelligent one

In the end, the joke will be on you.
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Must pay my a$$, they won't be getting a single cent from me. Billag is just daylight robbery.

And to those people who say about "hiding in the shadows by not answering the door" etc... I actually get more satisfaction knowing these fools from billag are wasting time and resources trying to get me to pay up when I won't. The joke is on them.
This appears to be the attitude of this person. I guess its your choice to choose to not comply with regulations and as our kiwi friend pointed out it would appear in character that you also refuse to pay taxes, autobahn fees, train fares. The reason everyone else has to pay more is basically due to attitudes such as yours that should expect zero sympathy when you are caught as you should expect billag actually have a membership on the EF so pretty easy to discover which nationalities dont attempt to pay their dues
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Tell you what, do just that... don't open the door. Don't pay your bills, don't have a life either!
I've never in my life witnessed such a blatant strawman attack. Well done.

Edit: BTW, I'm paying for Billag. And I pay my other bills, many of them ahead of time. I'm still not answering the door unless I expect company.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Tell you what, I'll agree to you're not paying Billag (since you never use it) if you agree to my not paying unemployment insurance (since I never use it).

Deal?

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Tell you what, I'll agree to you're not paying Billag (since you never use it) if you agree to my not paying unemployment insurance (since I never use it).
Billag isn't an insurance, it's a product.

You should be saying ... "if you agree to my not paying for that steak in Coop that I left on the shelf and didn't buy".
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Because no one actually knows.
Took me less than two minutes to guess at the URL billag.ch and find answers to most of the questions. Specifically, here's a quote about 'multifunction devices', poorly translated by google and edited by me.

"2.2.2
For their part, multifunctional devices also induce obligations under art. Al.1 RTA 68 and 57 letters. b DRTV. Even if their main function is not itself receiving radio and television programs , their technical characteristics allow their users to capture these programs, so they can be used in place of classic apparatus. This is for example the case of computers, iPhones, BlackBerrys and netbooks.
Mobile phone - When a mobile phone( Eg iPhone, smartphone, etc.) is technically able to receive radio programs, its owner is subject to the obligation to pay ... "

So it's quite clear, and there is no need for additional discussion.

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Billag isn't an insurance, it's a product.
No, it's not a product, it's just a tax collection mechanism.

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