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Old 04.11.2013, 15:22
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Re: Billag...completely clueless!

Yes - assuming it works

Having (or not) Cablecom is irrelevant. It does seem unfair that you'd need to pay Billag if for example you have a satellite configured for Sky or Freesat but that's life.

It's like people in the UK who tried to say they only watch ITV and Sky1 (for example) and hence don't want to pay the BBC licence fee.

They should just agree to make Billag a tax for everyone and be done with it. Then it should be cheaper per person, too, and the dodgy private company which collects the fees (*cough* Swisscom *cough*) can be shut down.
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Old 04.11.2013, 15:36
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They should just agree to make Billag a tax for everyone and be done with it. Then it should be cheaper per person, too, and the dodgy private company which collects the fees (*cough* Swisscom *cough*) can be shut down.
Why?

TV is hardly an essential part of life, is it?

I understand supporting education, street lighting, the government etc in taxes but someone else's evening entertainment?
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Old 04.11.2013, 16:06
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Why?

TV is hardly an essential part of life, is it?

I understand supporting education, street lighting, the government etc in taxes but someone else's evening entertainment?
I suppose I'm more focussed on the UK one, which funds educational programming, some OU stuff, radio stations, BBC News websites and World Service (if that still exists much). I think taxes should cover it.

Billag ... why do I have to pay it as I don't actually speak any of the local langauges and hence only watch UK shows, which Cablecom steals* from the ether and I pay them to transmit to me. It's to fund all the local news stuff mainly, I suspect. And Swisscom, which is the bit I feel unfair.

* They grab the Freesat signal and play the "we're not in the EU, so screw you and your copyright laws hahahahaha cackle* card
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Old 04.11.2013, 16:29
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Re: Billag...completely clueless!

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The article states, and I summarise, that if you have an internet connection and a computer, you need to pay the radio portion of the fee.

If you have an internet TV service for which you have registered, or a TV, you need to pay the TV part as well.

You wrote: "You are supposed to pay for TV and radio.". That is not correct in all cases of people with an internet connection.
This is mainly semantic and poor communication on my part, but I was only specifically referring to radio over internet, not TV (although when I consider the subscription aspect, e.g., Zatto, TV makes sense too).

When I said "supposed to pay for TV and radio" I was referring to what Billag covers, not what someone can access over internet. That is why I specifically referred to radio in the following sentence.

I didn't carefully evaluate the internet TV aspect in the article because I had a cable service and so already knew I was screwed into paying that.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

Still don't get it.

If I have a cablecom service for internet only, and a computer - do I pay radio fees? TV fees? Both?

If I decide to connect my computer to a TV monitor - but still with no TV subscription - only internet - do I pay radio fees? TV fees? Both?

This is all too confusing to me
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

The fact is that: the billag man will find you and send you reminder after reminder to pay the bill; until eventually you get a friendly letter from the Betreibungsamt
So... just pay.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

but paying the bill means paying radio? TV? or both?
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Old 08.11.2013, 11:37
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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If I have a cablecom service for internet only
Is that really what you have? Because if you have a working cablecom socket in your apartment you're paying around 29CHF a month for it (probably in your rent's Nebenkosten fees). And for that 29 CHF you get a basic TV and radio package. The fact you didn't connect a TV to it seems to be neither here nor there.

That's my understanding. You could just not pay, and when they come tell them that you have no TV and your computer has no TV card inside ... but it'd all fall apart when you mention such weird terms as "TV monitor". At which point the billag man will smile and hand you a bill.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

But what I get from the 20 minutes article that I only pay for the Radio fees in that case - no? I have no active TV subscription or service (I may have that basic cables thing you mentioned - I didn't even check) but nothing was actively subscribed for. At the moment only broadband internet. That's it.
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Old 08.11.2013, 12:07
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Is that really what you have? Because if you have a working cablecom socket in your apartment you're paying around 29CHF a month for it (probably in your rent's Nebenkosten fees). And for that 29 CHF you get a basic TV and radio package. The fact you didn't connect a TV to it seems to be neither here nor there.

That's my understanding.
My understanding is that in order to qualify for Billag payments you need an apparatus to decode the signal and display it (such as a set-top box and television combination).

Ignoring the internet options for a moment, without the set-top box and television combination, you can not possibly watch TV.
The signal coming down the cable to your house may contain coded TV signals but then so do the RF signals coming through the air from a ground antenna or from a satellite.

I know sometimes the cable sockets are covered over but if that is the case, why isn't the building also covered in tin foil?
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Old 08.11.2013, 12:14
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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But what I get from the 20 minutes article that I only pay for the Radio fees in that case - no? I have no active TV subscription or service (I may have that basic cables thing you mentioned - I didn't even check) but nothing was actively subscribed for. At the moment only broadband internet. That's it.
Then you only need to pay the radio fees.

To summarise:

Apparatus to decode TV signals such as a set-box or TV: Billag TV and radio required.

And/or:

Computer/Smart phone etc connected to the internet with a media player and a registered free or paid for TV service over internet: Billag TV and radio required.


Computer/Smart phone etc connected to the internet with a media player and no registered free or paid for TV service over internet: Billag Radio required.

No internet or smart phone or TV signal decoding device (set-top box or TV) but radio in car or home: Billag Radio required.

No computer/Smart phone etc or or TV signal decoding device (set-top box or TV) or radio in car:

You must be reading EF at work or at a friend's house: No Billag required.

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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

YES!

no TV service! (free or paid)
Only sort of players installed.

And if I connect a TV as a monitor (still - no TV service.) This is not a "Smart TV" - it requires an antenna to have any reception...
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Old 08.11.2013, 12:22
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My understanding is that in order to qualify for Billag payments you need an apparatus to decode the signal and display it (such as a set-top box and television combination).
Many channels are transmitted un-decoded. You don't need a set-top box to pick up around 100 channels, and he has a "TV monitor" which is, well, a TV.
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Old 08.11.2013, 12:23
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YES!

no TV service! (free or paid)
Only sort of players installed.

And if I connect a TV as a monitor (still - no TV service.) This is not a "Smart TV" - it requires an antenna to have any reception...
No!

Your TV can decode the signals. Whether it has an antenna or not is immaterial.

I could knock up an antenna in a couple of minutes out of wire of a coat hanger.
(A satellite dish out of wok would be more tricky as I'd need an LNB)

So, you still need Billag TV.
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Old 08.11.2013, 12:24
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Many channels are transmitted un-decoded. You don't need a set-top box to pick up around 100 channels, and he has a "TV monitor" which is, well, a TV.
The TV is the TV signal decoding device in that case. I should have added TV as well but I got bored of typing.

I'll add it to my summary.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

oh well...
I guess there is no way around it...

Thanks!
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oh well...
I guess there is no way around it...

Thanks!
You could get rid of the TV and buy a monitor.
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The fact is that: the billag man will find you and send you reminder after reminder to pay the bill; until eventually you get a friendly letter from the Betreibungsamt
So... just pay.
I've been living in CH for 22 years and counting. The Billag man hasn't got me yet, although I've had him at the door many times as well as on the phone. So no need for this doom and gloom attitude or the Betreibungsamt. The Billag men works with threats, lies and half truths and if you challenge him with hard legal facts he admits he hasn't got a leg to stand on. He once even asked me to sign a form saying I had no TV and no radio and promised to leave me alone if I would sign it, regardless of whether it was true. But I refused. I can be like that. Sometimes just threatening to record the conversation is enough to make them go away, as they don't want these things to be known.

Just to put the record straight. I do not have a TV. I do not have a radio. But I am refusing to tell Billag that as that is my decision and I feel no need to disclose it to them. If they want to throw good money after bad by going after me, that is their decision.
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Re: Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?

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No!

Your TV can decode the signals. Whether it has an antenna or not is immaterial.

I could knock up an antenna in a couple of minutes out of wire of a coat hanger.
(A satellite dish out of wok would be more tricky as I'd need an LNB)

So, you still need Billag TV.
What if a (dust covered) TV is a legacy one - can receive "analog" signal only, phased out long ago, and there is no cable TV subscription in place?
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Just to put the record straight. I do not have a TV. I do not have a radio.
How about internet access and a media player on a computer or a phone?
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