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Old 21.10.2010, 11:39
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Re: Apple store in Bahnhofstrasse Zürich

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I wasn't in the market for a Dell. I was in the market for the best laptop my money could buy.
You see, that is the point: "best" laptop is the one that suits your use cases best.
- if you are a gamer, the air - or pretty much any apple - would be a bad choice.
- if you are on a tight budget, there are cheaper products that can do a very similar job.

I bought my macbook because I mainly do "office" things and a bit of multimedia and it is the perfect computer for me. Even the "high end" lenovo at work on which I am typing now is nowhere near the "quality feel" of the unibody design. I know, an Apple will never be an "engineers product" - it is far too much designed and does not carry the latest and greatest processor or the latest graphic chip - in reality you will hardly ever be able to use those component to their fullest if you are not gaming - so see "if" number one.

They are not cheap, but after buying one about a year and a bit ago, I know that there is no way I would switch back to an HP or Lenovo (let alone Dell). Only Sonys are sometimes tempting...
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:39
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As I said, I think the target market is those looking to do some work on the road.



You can get a 256gb drive if you really need lots of storage. Apple is betting that streaming replaces downloading though. 128gb is still enough to hold a lot of movies.


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Looks like it's good enough to play Call of Duty 4.

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/performance.html

If you're really really into high performance gaming, some form of earth-bound workstation is always going to outperform a flighty laptop anyway.
Which is exactly why I said that you'd use your iMac for heavy duty stuff and use your macbook air for portable stuff. Are you even reading my posts?

All your other points seem to be compromises. I'm not living in the past and I'm not looking for far into the future. I buy my laptop for now and will change it in about 2 years. So I will get the future when it becomes the present.

Optical drives aren't used that much. Especially on a portable computer...that's why I said that's what you'd use your heavy duty iMac for.

I wouldn't be happy with a macbook air on it's own, in the present time.

And you do know call of duty 4 is over 2 years old. Now who is living in the past?
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:42
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They claimed in the presentation last night that they've introduced a much more rigorous battery test . . . so the stats are based on constant wireless web-browsing.
I heard him say that, but I would still like to see it verified in real life. Also want to see what video playback life is like. When the register get their hands on one, I'll be a keen reader.

If the seven hours is genuine, I reckon it will be a purchase. At the moment I reckon wireless browsing life isn't much over 3 hours.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:47
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You see, that is the point: "best" laptop is the one that suits your use cases best.
- if you are a gamer, the air - or pretty much any apple - would be a bad choice.
- if you are on a tight budget, there are cheaper products that can do a very similar job.

I bought my macbook because I mainly do "office" things and a bit of multimedia and it is the perfect computer for me. Even the "high end" lenovo at work on which I am typing now is nowhere near the "quality feel" of the unibody design. I know, an Apple will never be an "engineers product" - it is far too much designed and does not carry the latest and greatest processor or the latest graphic chip - in reality you will hardly ever be able to use those component to their fullest if you are not gaming - so see "if" number one.

They are not cheap, but after buying one about a year and a bit ago, I know that there is no way I would switch back to an HP or Lenovo (let alone Dell). Only Sonys are sometimes tempting...
I get that. People pay a premium for the quality feel. Some people can't justify the extra expense for the quality feel.

If I had more money I'd buy a MBP without thinking twice. Why? Because it looks better and is more solid and does the same thing.

But it really isn't the best bang for buck...in my opinion.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:50
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And you do know call of duty 4 is over 2 years old. Now who is living in the past?
I had no idea, because like the majority of computer users I'm not a hardcore gamer.

I think you were suggesting that the typical user would need a desktop machine at home to do heavy duty work. I question whether most people even do that kind of stuff on their computer.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:50
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I bought my macbook because I mainly do "office" things and a bit of multimedia and it is the perfect computer for me. Even the "high end" lenovo at work on which I am typing now is nowhere near the "quality feel" of the unibody design. I know, an Apple will never be an "engineers product" - it is far too much designed and does not carry the latest and greatest processor or the latest graphic chip - in reality you will hardly ever be able to use those component to their fullest if you are not gaming - so see "if" number one.
The Thinkpad keyboard is much better and their laptops have a much higher feel of quality. But depending on your tastes, they might not be considered as pretty. Don't confuse quality with appearance. A thinkpad is much sturdier.

If you do anything with photos, videos, science, you will use the components to the fullest (cpu and memory, but maybe not gpu).

The Air is thin, pretty and and an all-round good performer. A nice product.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:50
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

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CH prices are frustrating, but still not as bad as the UK or Euro ones.
Basic 13" model: 1,549 CHF vs £1,099.

The difference, in sterling, is around £80. And if you get it duty free you'll save 17.5% on that price and then it becomes cheaper than the CH prices. Even if you pay Swiss import tax (assuming 7.6%) it's still very slightly cheaper to buy it in the UK.

It's £200 cheaper in HK though (ignoring all import taxes).
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:51
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yeah, what is with the price difference - checked the UK, Australian and Swiss online stores and the new MBAs are priced about 250 US more than the US store? Also, the RAM and processor upgrades are 130 CHF vs 100 US (i.e. we pay 35 USD more to have extras fitted)

The US prices don't include sales tax.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:53
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Basic 13" model: 1,549 CHF vs £1,099.

The difference, in sterling, is around £80. And if you get it duty free you'll save 17.5% on that price and then it becomes cheaper than the CH prices. Even if you pay Swiss import tax (assuming 7.6%) it's still very slightly cheaper to buy it in the UK.

It's £200 cheaper in HK though (ignoring all import taxes).
It's a bit difficult to buy duty free as the Apple Store (one of the physical ones) doesn't participate in the VAT reclaim scheme.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:54
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

Well 130 CHF difference on top of an already 200 CHF difference is more furstrating. I am comparing to US/CAD prices.

GG: I included sales tax in my comparisons. This, of course, is state/province dependent. Trust me, I had 5 windows open this morning doing a comparison.

I think I can last two months and get one back home. Will concentrate on building my super gaming/physics rig in the meantime.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:57
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It's a bit difficult to buy duty free as the Apple Store (one of the physical ones) doesn't participate in the VAT reclaim scheme.
I'd heard that Regent St did take part. Also you can buy Apple products at Dixons tax free at Heathrow.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:58
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

But they sell Apple laptops at Heathrow in Dixons.

Anyway ...

I've got an old and dying Thinkpad X41. I really want a very light 13 or 14" laptop.

The Thinkpad X201s is 12" (and widescreen so smaller than my current standard ratio X41). It's too small. I was going to buy the Toshiba R700 as it's half the price of the Macbook Air (and no doubt half the build quality).

The new Air looks lovely but the idea that once you buy it that's it (no SSD upgrades, no RAM upgrades) scares me. Plus the fact you need dongles/adapters for simple stuff like plugging in a VGA monitor or connecting it to an ethernet network. Eurgh. So ... although it looks like a great laptop the fact that Apple are the Microsoft of the hardware world still bothers me.
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Old 21.10.2010, 11:59
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It's a bit difficult to buy duty free as the Apple Store (one of the physical ones) doesn't participate in the VAT reclaim scheme.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sales_pol...retail_uk.html

Tax-Free Shopping
Apple Retail UK Limited offers tax-free shopping through Global Blue for customers taking their purchases out of the European Union. Restrictions apply. Please see a Specialist for details.

They don't offer it online because no online store does.
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Old 21.10.2010, 12:02
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They don't offer it online because no online store does.
This isn't true.

I've had VAT free shopping from Oki-ni in the UK before, for instance.
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Old 21.10.2010, 12:03
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The new Air looks lovely but the idea that once you buy it that's it (no SSD upgrades, no RAM upgrades) scares me. Plus the fact you need dongles/adapters for simple stuff like plugging in a VGA monitor or connecting it to an ethernet network. Eurgh. So ... although it looks like a great laptop the fact that Apple are the Microsoft of the hardware world still bothers me.
Very true and this was the start of my hate for Apple a few years back when they purposely removed the analog pin from the DVI adaptor to make you buy a second VGA adapter.

I thought about it today and since I will always have a desktop at home and wireless is pretty much everywhere, I don't think it will be an issue.
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Old 21.10.2010, 12:04
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If I could get a US kybd in the London shops, I'd be off one of these weekends (want to visit London anyways).

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Old 21.10.2010, 12:06
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I am not very knowledgeable in computers. I need to make some videos. If I buy a dell I will need to get some video editing software where as with the apple the built in softare is pretty good, yes or no?
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Old 21.10.2010, 12:07
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...but the Air is exactly what I need so am going to buy. Put Linux on it and I am set.
For what you're proposing would it not be more cost effective to buy a high performance sub notebook and stick Linux on it?

I've got to say that the only reason that I buy Apple is the operating system - yes I know that Mac OS X can be shoehorned onto a standard PC, but it's not without problems.

While the 11" Air is kind of what I've been waiting for, I think the price point is too high for what it is. Given what I'd use it for, I'd be better of buying a cheap netbook and running Linux, especially when you consider that once you've disregarded the nice exterior of an Apple computer all you're left with is just some pretty run of mill hardware.
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This isn't true.

I've had VAT free shopping from Oki-ni in the UK before, for instance.
Agreed. I know of plenty of online stores that do - from diamonds to shirts!

Apple have a retail/online presence in Switzerland, so I can see why they wouldn't do tax free shipping to CH.

I believe and am sure Phil could confirm, that technically all ex-EU sales whether bricks and mortar or online should have nil VAT, but a lot of retainers aren't set up to handle it and/or don't realise their potential export market given the weakness of sterling.
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Old 21.10.2010, 12:08
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I am not very knowledgeable in computers. I need to make some videos. If I buy a dell I will need to get some video editing software where as with the apple the built in softare is pretty good, yes or no?
Last time I check iMovie sucked and I had to install other software. But maybe they've fixed it / improved it by now. There is openSource video editting software for Linux, so presumably it also exists for Windows.
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