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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

can you order from the website and pick-up on bahnhofstrasse? i'd like to get a bluetooth keyboard with british layout (not that apple know what a british layout is, frikkin morons)...
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Old 27.10.2010, 11:55
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/27/m...rns-old-modul/

This looks very cool...not sure what the use of USB3.0 is if the MBA is only USB 2.0.
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:07
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This looks very cool...not sure what the use of USB3.0 is if the MBA is only USB 2.0.
some of us have far more advanced PCs which have such functionality
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:17
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some of us have far more advanced PCs which have such functionality
I ordered a dell studio that has USB2.0 and they just released a studio XPS which is roughly the same price that has USB 3.0
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:29
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Yes, the R700 was what I was considering before the Air was announced. As I said above, I am guilty of considering looks as one of the factors. It will look even better when I stick a penguin sticker over the apple.
Make sure you share a photo of that with us...
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:44
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If I could get a US kybd in the London shops, I'd be off one of these weekends (want to visit London anyways).

(Hate the tiny carriage return on the UK kybd)
You can order a US english keyboard online in the Swiss online store.
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:47
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You can order a US english keyboard online in the Swiss online store.
We were talking about London shops as stated, in order to save VAT. Mine is ordered, arriving by Friday, with US kybd.
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Old 27.10.2010, 12:52
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Well, you're emulating a Windows world by using Parallels software or Boot Camp and having a partition to run both OS types, but why oh why go to all the hassle? I'm not sure if partitioning on flash memory is either possible like a regular hard disk or if the rules change though.
Install a Sun VM as an app and then Wins inside it.
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:02
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

A more in-depth review:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/m...iew-late-2010/

I was happy to read that the screen is not as glossy as regular macbooks.

This review contradicts an earlier one in saying tha fan is noisy when it does kick in (when gpu is taxed).
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:17
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

let us know how the MBA experience goes - esp. if you install linux.

i'd be interested if you can get a debian userland on top of the macos kernel. not really interested in learning another GUI so would want to stick to a gnome-like UI and window management.
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:24
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

I'm not sure I see the point of installing Linux on a Mac.

One of the major advantages from Apple as a hw and sw company is the close integration between Mac OS X and the computers.

The Mac user interface is so intuitive I wouldn't worry about having to learn it. And if you want to pop the hood, as a Linux user, you'll be relatively at home with OS X's UNIX-like interior.
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:40
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

As stated previously, not all of us love the OS X UI. Too many extra clicks for things that are single click for me normally. I guess I could use more kybd shortcuts.

When I had a macbook pro a year back, I had Mandriva Linux on it. No problem, except for one kernel issue with wi-fi combined with 4Gb memory; I had to run it limited to 3GB. But that has been fixed since then in the driver.

As the Air will be a toy, I may not actually put Linux on it. For surfing, messaging, the small annoyances are not big enough to worrya bout. And as GG says, I have UNIX underneath to do the odd task. I will of course put X on it for certain apps and for python coding.

And also as GG says, the tight integration means performance is optimised in OS X. And that is a big plus.
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:44
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The Mac user interface is so intuitive I wouldn't worry about having to learn it.
And Windows, Gnome, KDE, aren't? I think they're all quite intuitive these days and have been for a while.

I do prefer menus on windows rather than at top as in OS X. But these are all minor differences that one gets used to even if performance limiting.
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Old 27.10.2010, 13:56
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And Windows, Gnome, KDE, aren't? I think they're all quite intuitive these days and have been for a while.

I do prefer menus on windows rather than at top as in OS X. But these are all minor differences that one gets used to even if performance limiting.
I think Windows is still far from intuitive. It merely appears intuitive because people have grown up with versions of that way of doing things. For me, it's still full of annoyances.

I'm not a Linux user, so I can't comment on that.

Anyway, I wasn't claiming that other OS's are intuitive . . . I was just surprised that someone would claim the difficulty of learning a new OS as a reason for not switching to OS X.
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Old 27.10.2010, 14:00
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I think Windows is still far from intuitive. It merely appears intuitive because people have grown up with versions of that way of doing things. For me, it's still full of annoyances.
You do know that is what intuitive means: what you are used to. I deleted such a comment above but I will say it now: claiming one os is intuitive over another usually just means that's what you're used to.

I did have an Apple fanbois claim I had been brainwashed after my complaints of the OS X application oriented workflow. !!!!!! As with religious arguments on whose book is *really* the truth, I could say the same to him. What an idiot. But I stray.
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Old 27.10.2010, 14:26
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You do know that is what intuitive means: what you are used to. I deleted such a comment above but I will say it now: claiming one os is intuitive over another usually just means that's what you're used to.

I did have an Apple fanbois claim I had been brainwashed after my complaints of the OS X application oriented workflow. !!!!!! As with religious arguments on whose book is *really* the truth, I could say the same to him. What an idiot. But I stray.
No. Intuitive means that if you had little experience of it you could guess how to use it. It's got nothing to do with 'what you're used to'.

Here's an example of how Microsoft is unintuitive. Different applications, even from within Microsoft do not have standardised interfaces nor GUIs. You can find yourself looking for an option in vain because it's not in the place where you think it would be based on another MS program. Yes, Microsoft has been making strides towards standardisation, but this has not been thoroughgoing.

As a Windows administrator I am constantly faced with finding lengthy workarounds because the oh-so-friendly GUIs don't allow you to do properly scalable work. Sometimes you'll need a variety of different tools to engineer something . . . the GUI, a command line tool, something else from the res kit, some WMI scripting and a third party tool. Crapola.

I know an enterprise developer who is playing with the new version of Dev Studio at the moment and is tweeting his every cuss. They are frequent.

More than this, even if they eventually work, MS apps annoy . . . or at best bore.

Getting home and using Mac OS X is a breath of fresh interface, the designers actually considered aesthetics and ergonomics when they built the thing.
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No. Intuitive means that if you had little experience of it you could guess how to use it. It's got nothing to do with 'what you're used to'.
Yes but this guess is based on our experience as humans. And in the modern world, we have many interfaces, etc. So it is what you're used to. Same applies for whether a physical law is intuitive, etc. Intuition is not innate. You may argue that OS X is more intuitive in general to our human experience, but I am of the opinion that is not a valid avenue of discussion anymore with so much experience with computers. However, we could ask someone who use a computer for the first time. But this would change with time and society.


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Here's an example of how Microsoft is unintuitive. Different applications, even from within Microsoft do not have standardised interfaces nor GUIs. You can find yourself looking for an option in vain because it's not in the place where you think it would be based on another MS program. Yes, Microsoft has been making strides towards standardisation, but this has not been thoroughgoing.

As a Windows administrator I am constantly faced with finding lengthy workarounds because the oh-so-friendly GUIs don't allow you to do properly scalable work. Sometimes you'll need a variety of different tools to engineer something . . . the GUI, a command line tool, something else from the res kit, some WMI scripting and a third party tool. Crapola.

I know an enterprise developer who is playing with the new version of Dev Studio at the moment and is tweeting his every cuss. They are frequent.
Agreed. I don't want to be taken as defending Windows.

However, I should mention that iTunes and ESPECIALLY QuicktimePlayer use non-standard guis that can also be painful. That's my experience as a 3rd party user of both OS's.
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Yes but this guess is based on our experience as humans. And in the modern world, we have many interfaces, etc. So it is what you're used to. Same applies for whether a physical law is intuitive, etc. Intuition is not innate. You may argue that OS X is more intuitive in general to our human experience, but I am of the opinion that is not a valid avenue of discussion anymore with so much experience with computers. However, we could ask someone who use a computer for the first time. But this would change with time and society.
I'm not arguing that intuition is innate.

Ask yourself who would have the easier time, a Windows user moving to a Mac or a Mac user moving to Windows?

The question of someone using a computer for the first time is valid.
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Ask yourself who would have the easier time, a Windows user moving to a Mac or a Mac user moving to Windows?
Well Apple users are simpletons, usually designers or artsies, so that explains that one.

I think no one could argue against that OS X is typically better designed and easier to use. But one could also argue that Windows is better suited to power users. I don't really care. People pick what they want.

However, when it comes to multiple desktops, Linux rules. This was another thing that was very frustrating with OS X (not used anything since XP so not sure if Windows has it yet). As I said previously, it's all about your needs, applications vs windows, workflow, and what you're used to.
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Old 27.10.2010, 15:10
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

I am looking forward to emacs with lovely fonts though. Although doable on Ubuntu, it was not easy on Mandriva and I do miss this from my previous macbook days.

I will say one things: open source software for OS X def has better UI and design. The developers have a culture of doing things better. For Windows, you get the engineering mentality of pushing in a gazillion features in an ugly container.

Did I mention that Air was purty?
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