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Well Apple users are simpletons.....
Next time we have a beer I'll ask you to repeat that to my face

Anyway, as a long term Mac OS user I found that moving to linux (Ubuntu) was a breeze. Everything was more or less where I expected it to be, and apart from having to use the command line a bit more it seemed to be just as intuitive.

I have tried windows in the past and found that I was tearing my hair out trying to do what I considered to be the simplest things. Even the command line is screwed - every other operating system I've used has had at least a reasonable implementation of the POSIX standard (except for Mac OS9 and below, but we don't talk about that now).

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Old 27.10.2010, 15:41
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As of this weekend, I will be one too.
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Old 27.10.2010, 16:05
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I'm not sure I see the point of installing Linux on a Mac.

One of the major advantages from Apple as a hw and sw company is the close integration between Mac OS X and the computers.

The Mac user interface is so intuitive I wouldn't worry about having to learn it. And if you want to pop the hood, as a Linux user, you'll be relatively at home with OS X's UNIX-like interior.
the hw is there to run sw. the sw i want to run is linux with familiar windows managers and UI controls. this saves having to mentally adjust to different systems when moving between laptop and desktop.

if debian userland is installed, the backend would still be osx so the hw/sw integration would not be impacted.

the issue is not learning, but consistency. e.g. i could easily learn to use a german keyboard, but swapping between uk and german layouts is annoying, so i stick to one. same for UI.

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I have tried windows in the past and found that I was tearing my hair out trying to do what I considered to be the simplest things. Even the command line is screwed - every other operating system I've used has had at least a reasonable implementation of the POSIX standard (except for Mac OS9 and below, but we don't talk about that now).

(I know,I know, I'm off topic)
what issues did you have? windows has a posix compliant layer (SFU) and you can install a linux environment such as bash shell and binutils.
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Old 27.10.2010, 16:24
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Well Apple users are simpletons, usually designers or artsies, so that explains that one.

I think no one could argue against that OS X is typically better designed and easier to use. But one could also argue that Windows is better suited to power users. I don't really care. People pick what they want.

However, when it comes to multiple desktops, Linux rules. This was another thing that was very frustrating with OS X (not used anything since XP so not sure if Windows has it yet). As I said previously, it's all about your needs, applications vs windows, workflow, and what you're used to.
I think when most people are talking about intuitive interfaces, they don't have in mind power users. By the time you're into the power user game, intuition doesn't really have so much influence because you're already used to that particular system.

How do Linux multiple desktops score over Mac OS X? I thought Mac's implementation was pretty good.
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Old 28.10.2010, 05:09
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

Maybe soon there will be a posibility to upgrade the SSD storage with 3rd party SSD...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1038537

Could be useful for the 11" since current maximum is 128GB
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Old 28.10.2010, 09:01
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Maybe soon there will be a posibility to upgrade the SSD storage with 3rd party SSD...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1038537

Could be useful for the 11" since current maximum is 128GB
TBH, I'd be more worried about the RAM than the SSD. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Lion already required 4 gigs. As they don't offer any off-the-shelf options for more than 2gb of RAM, you'll have to go BTO if you want one with the long-time standard of 4gb of memory.
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Maybe soon there will be a posibility to upgrade the SSD storage with 3rd party SSD...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1038537

Could be useful for the 11" since current maximum is 128GB
Nice repost batman.
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Old 28.10.2010, 10:43
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

My Air is currently being escorted to my flat. Unfort I am at work.

Which is actually a good thing as I have too many things to do tonight.
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Old 28.10.2010, 10:46
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TBH, I'd be more worried about the RAM than the SSD. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Lion already required 4 gigs. As they don't offer any off-the-shelf options for more than 2gb of RAM, you'll have to go BTO if you want one with the long-time standard of 4gb of memory.
Now you're just being silly like the fanbois. 1G would be enough for typical activites, 2GB perfectly suited. You only need more when dicking around with photos, video, etc, which the 11" isn't suited for anyways.

For comparison, my linux box with X and firefox and HD video running survives with 1GB. On a 7 year old box too. And surely the GUI layer for OS X is more efficient than X?

But you're right, to be safe for the future, best to get 4GB now, as you can't add more later with soldering.

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Old 28.10.2010, 11:15
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Nice repost batman.
Sorry... I must have missed it.. I guess/ hope no harm posting good news twice
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Old 28.10.2010, 11:18
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

Yeah buy why spend the money and effort upgrading anything. If you're doing this, then you probably shouldn't be considering the 11" Air in the first place.
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Old 29.10.2010, 10:49
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

It arrive this morn and it is beautiful. Glad I went with the 13" as it's small enough as it is and 11" would have been too small for my needs.
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Old 29.10.2010, 10:54
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Now you're just being silly like the fanbois. 1G would be enough for typical activites, 2GB perfectly suited. You only need more when dicking around with photos, video, etc, which the 11" isn't suited for anyways.

For comparison, my linux box with X and firefox and HD video running survives with 1GB. On a 7 year old box too. And surely the GUI layer for OS X is more efficient than X?

But you're right, to be safe for the future, best to get 4GB now, as you can't add more later with soldering.

My experience with the upgrades is:

Wait for thanksgiving and use the discount they offer to buy the extra RAM. When I did, the 2GB extra plus my macbook added to the normal price on any other day.

Just food for thought...
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Old 29.10.2010, 11:02
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My experience with the upgrades is:

Wait for thanksgiving and use the discount they offer to buy the extra RAM. When I did, the 2GB extra plus my macbook added to the normal price on any other day.

Just food for thought...
Or wait for the next 10% off at Migros. I doubt they have them in stock for today. Or get a teacher/student to order it for you with educational discount.

In US, Canada, of course there are many more ways to get it cheaper, but the prices there are already pretty good.

It was only ~chf120 for the extra 2GB so no big deal really.
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Old 29.10.2010, 12:41
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The Thinkpad keyboard is much better and their laptops have a much higher feel of quality. But depending on your tastes, they might not be considered as pretty. Don't confuse quality with appearance. A thinkpad is much sturdier.

If you do anything with photos, videos, science, you will use the components to the fullest (cpu and memory, but maybe not gpu).

The Air is thin, pretty and and an all-round good performer. A nice product.

ok, i have a PC at work, imac at home. i do shift large graphics around, do render graphics, movies, etc. on my mac. i handle large amounts of data.

NEVER my mac shut down, froze, crashed or anything, NEVER! maybe photoshop gets stuck, freezes, and i can just delete that app and restart.
whereras my PC at work does that far too much!

what i hate about PC is the missing plug n play. i dont want no extra software, no driver software to run applications. i dont want the inconvenient process when deleting software/applications. i dont want the "terminate programm" when said program went to brick. i hate to say _ctrl alt del_ to "shut down...shut down" over and over again and it doesnt as this termination window pops up a 100 times n the whole pc is ready to be shut down and then to reboot this PieceofaCant! i dont want to reset my system every now and then, the defracmentation stuff. i dont want that if i add new hardware, it has an impact of the whole set up (never change a running system). i dont want that if i delete a software that a .dll file will be thrashed that has impact on my dvd burner/burning software or any other destabilization of my computer. if connecting to anything new, maybe internet set-up, i hate to fill out protocols and stuff, i hate to tick things in protocols/windows that sound IT-geeky to me, as i am a consumer, a simple user-> plug it in, chose a password, done!


this was the case until 2002 when i decided to try a mac. and it was the best purchase ever. yes, for some people there are many flaws coming with a mac product that i dont care about as its not relevant to me. my problem was (and with work pc still is) the mentioned above. maybe this is all history since vista, what ever...i dont care. never i will switch back.
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Old 29.10.2010, 12:53
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Re: New MacBook Air [Thread Split]

Now the search for the perfect bag starts. There is a bag from Zurich I like very much (from before deciding to buy the Air), but it is big and it would seem silly to tote an Air around in it. Or maybe not. Saw some cool small bags at another trendy shop, but they carried a ridiculous Zurich price over 300!!! Not sure if I can last till Xmas till I get home to normal prices.
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Now the search for the perfect bag starts. There is a bag from Zurich I like very much (from before deciding to buy the Air), but it is big and it would seem silly to tote an Air around in it. Or maybe not. Saw some cool small bags at another trendy shop, but they carried a ridiculous Zurich price over 300!!! Not sure if I can last till Xmas till I get home to normal prices.
sure freitag will be all over it soon...
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http://www.dailytech.com/New+Trojan+...ticle20008.htm

Where is your god now Apple users?

Joking aside it just goes to show that OSX isn't specially coded to be more immune to viruses and that as the market share increases, macs will be getting more viruses coming there way.
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Thanks for the link to that pic.

Is the article of any interest?
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ok, i have a PC at work, imac at home. i do shift large graphics around, do render graphics, movies, etc. on my mac. i handle large amounts of data.

NEVER my mac shut down, froze, crashed or anything, NEVER! maybe photoshop gets stuck, freezes, and i can just delete that app and restart.
whereras my PC at work does that far too much!

what i hate about PC is the missing plug n play. i dont want no extra software, no driver software to run applications. i dont want the inconvenient process when deleting software/applications. i dont want the "terminate programm" when said program went to brick. i hate to say _ctrl alt del_ to "shut down...shut down" over and over again and it doesnt as this termination window pops up a 100 times n the whole pc is ready to be shut down and then to reboot this PieceofaCant! i dont want to reset my system every now and then, the defracmentation stuff. i dont want that if i add new hardware, it has an impact of the whole set up (never change a running system). i dont want that if i delete a software that a .dll file will be thrashed that has impact on my dvd burner/burning software or any other destabilization of my computer. if connecting to anything new, maybe internet set-up, i hate to fill out protocols and stuff, i hate to tick things in protocols/windows that sound IT-geeky to me, as i am a consumer, a simple user-> plug it in, chose a password, done!


this was the case until 2002 when i decided to try a mac. and it was the best purchase ever. yes, for some people there are many flaws coming with a mac product that i dont care about as its not relevant to me. my problem was (and with work pc still is) the mentioned above. maybe this is all history since vista, what ever...i dont care. never i will switch back.

Well i dont like Windows but I think people make the comparison more extreme than it is. At work I am unfort forced to use Windows but it's never crashed on me, although it is true that shutdown can be painful sometimes.

I've mentioned that with OS X 10.5 there were black screens of death all the time.

AND ... just this weekend my gf got the blackSOD on her mac a couple of times; had to force the computer off. I also encountered an app whirring requiring a forced quit. However whenever I restarted the app, it started to whirr again. I even open a shell and killed all processes associated with said app and still things werent good. So I decided it best to reboot even though that should no be required on a good OS. Computer wouldn't shut down. I even opened a terminal and did a manual shutdown ... no good. So I had to power down manually.

Excuse my typing: I am not a big fan of the chicklet kybd so far; hopefully my brain will adjust, but I have gone from a perfect typist to a very poor one.

Otherwise, a very nice machine.
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